[kictanet] Fwd: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests

Thu Oct 16 02:13:16 EAT 2008

Edith,There are some useful lessons - but these lessons do not include:

1. How to give away your national treasures - like bandwidth - to foreign
entities just because they say they can not do any business with local
entrepreneurs. In fact I know this for a fact, you would never get a license
to operate in UAE if this was your argument. Further to this lesson I would
like to point to these additional countries that would laugh you out of town
if you made that argument - US (some businesses like Airline, Military and
Defense, Telecommunications (not ISP), Radio & TV), India, Singapore,
Malaysia, Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, the whole of Middle East, South Africa,
Japan (especially Japan)

2. How not be conned. Kenya seems to heading there with its eyes opened.
When a man approaches a woman, it would be a very stupid woman, who knowing
what a man is capable of, to accept the BS that the man is feeding her. And
if she does then she deserves what she gets. Kenya will get what it deserves
and very soon. A good example is Russia and its oligarchs - all members of
the Forbes Richest.

3. Great leadership is necessary to grow a country. A leadership with
intestinal fortitude to say no under pressure. Top to bottom,

4. That the local mwananchi can invest in their own country and manage its
growth

5. That a great nation looks upon its diaspora to grow it - a la Israel and
India

6. That a great nation does not wait to be raped twice - We seem to be
following a process that will guarantee our raping despite how Kenyan some
members of this committee think they are. Its just a matter of time before
they pick up their bags and leave. I really do not think that as a national
planner I should be putting my eggs in that basket.

Joe

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:55 PM, <eadera at idrc.or.ke> wrote:

> Anyone has taken the time to thoroughly study the secret behind
> Dubai's tremendous growth? (U.A.E in general). There are some useful
> lessons!
>
>
> >
> >---- Original Message ----
> >From: j.maina at ymail.com
> >To: eadera at idrc.or.ke
> >Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd:  PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested
> >Interests
> >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:03:50 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >>Lizette
> >>
> >>I think that you have racially inclined your mind.
> >>
> >>When did KENCALL directors become Kenyans? After getting good
> >friends to bribe their way to this country. And let me tell you that
> >the money the so called investors are using are Kenyan money not
> >money from foreign banks.
> >>
> >>They have come and borrowed from Kenyan banks. How much does the
> >most profitable telecomms companies leave in this country, very small
> >amount. We have Telecomms companies which are on their marks. They
> >have very inferior systems and dont actually deliver in service but
> >make billions and run away with the billions.
> >>
> >>Dada Lizette, we know that there are Kenyans who are white, black
> >coloured and all but know that I am a mixed race Kenyan and really
> >sad when our brotehrs have to suffer because of bad policies from
> >people like PS
> >>
> >>JM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----
> >>From: Lizette Kraft <lfkraft at gmail.com>
> >>To: j.maina at ymail.com
> >>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:52:07 PM
> >>Subject: [kictanet] Fwd:  PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested
> >Interests
> >>
> >>
> >>Just my two pennies worth here.
> >>
> >>Kenya is not an Island that it can survive on its own even through
> >local investment. Most times we dont have the funds. I do agree
> >though about the Government and banks not supporting local investors
> >with loans etc. They must start giving them the opportunity to setup
> >local expertise and turn them in money making ventures, if only they
> >wouldn't fleece their own companies.  Even America, the giant needs
> >investors!!! You all have a valid point but use it for the best
> >interests of Kenya and its people first and foremost. Not just self
> >interest for the few.  And by the way Kenyans come in all shapes,
> >sizes, COLOURS, and creed. So please don't generalise who is kenyan
> >and who is not!!!  Kencall directors and owners are Kenyan and not
> >outsiders if I understand correctly. When we are taxed whether
> >individually or coorporately, the money is used for Kenya and Kenyans
> >and not for outsiders who invested!  Forcing local partnership in
> >foreign owned companies has
> >> its negative and positive effects.
> >>This needs to be look at more seriously to make it a win-win
> >situation. It has been known in the past that foreign investors with
> >forced local partnership have been subjected to threats and
> >intimidation by the local partners when they wanted more than their
> >fare share, (given to them mind you). Thus the weariness o
> >>of being forced now. This does not attract any investor. But the
> >foreigners should not fleece the country either!
> >>
> >>Let us have some constructive critisism without being racially
> >inclined. Fight to make things right no matter what but without
> >pinpointing nationalities or colours of people.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On 10/7/08, John Maina <j.maina at ymail.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#poest3150
> >>
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