[kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 17, Issue 9

Tue Oct 7 20:39:43 EAT 2008

I agree with Brian. 

I recall covering the econet issue before Dr Ndemo became PS.  we have since moved in leaps and bounds. Mischief at work here.  

We have all seen in recent months unsubstantiated claims (outside ICT) with people becoming needlessly emotional and regurgitating ill digested 'facts' - to little avail.  

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   1. Re: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests (John Maina)
   2. Re: [ke-internetusers] Re:  PS Ndemo,	ECONET Scandal aand
      Vested Interests (Crystal Watley)

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:48:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Maina <j.maina at ymail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests
To: David Otwoma <otwomad at gmail.com>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>,
	ke-users <ke-internetusers at bdix.net>
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David

Dont just beg PS Ndemo because he is your boss.

Know the facts. Do you think that what Ndemo did with the libyans, french, Moi family and all the crooks is nice? Is that the kind of boss you want?

I see you protecting your tusker but others also have to live and niot be denied a chance by crooks like Ndemo

JM

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From: David Otwoma <otwomad at gmail.com>
To: John Maina <j.maina at ymail.com>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>; ke-users <ke-internetusers at bdix.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:31:32 PM
Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests

Hi John,

That is a bit too strong coming from a Professor. If you have facts the law enforcers should be given as this forum may not be able to arrest/act accordingly etc. on anyone who breaks the 10 commandments (of the Xtian holy book). Otherwise keep off from what I drink (tusker) if it makes you think of the river songs.

Kind regards,

Daudi

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:21 PM, John Maina <j.maina at ymail.com> wrote:

Brian

Stop protecting thieves. If you dont have facts, ask for them.

PS Ndemo knows what he has done wrong

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Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 5:32:10 PM
Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests

Smells like a smear campaign to me.

I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong.

B

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:11:38 -0500
From: "Crystal Watley" <crystal at voicesofafrica.org>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re:  PS Ndemo,	ECONET
	Scandal aand Vested Interests
To: "John Maina" <j.maina at ymail.com>
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Is this professional? Please see below.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:57 AM, John Maina <j.maina at ymail.com> wrote:
And you dont have to boast of your Kenyanness because having an American
Tatoo will never make me an American nor is having to exploit a young
ignorant African

Sir,

My husband is a well educated Kenyan who is two years my senior. You have no
right to make such remarks on list or off.

Again, is mud slinging what you consider to be the mark of being a Kenyan?

The problem in Kenya is that people turn on each other instead of focusing
on the problems and addressing them together. This leads to hate and
violence that is uncalled for. Until we all commit to making a change in our
mentalities and attitudes, from one of victimhood and name calling to one of
empowerment, nothing will change.

HOW TO GET RID OF A BAD EMPLOYEE
First, you determine if their actual work performance is worth keeping them
in your company, organization, or GOVERNMENT. Second, if they are found
lacking, confront them directly in a calm and civilized manner based on
factual evidence. Third, if the factual evidence shows a breach in their
"contract" for employment, dismiss them. Fourth, if they have broken laws
take them to court. Hold them accountable.

Crystal

Is this professional? Please see below.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:57 AM, John Maina <j.maina at ymail.com> wrote:
And you dont have to boast of your Kenyanness because having an American
Tatoo will never make me an American nor is having to exploit a young
ignorant African
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Crystal Watley <crystal at voicesofafrica.org>
> To: nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt at kencall.com>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>;
> ke-users <ke-internetusers at bdix.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:34:47 PM
> Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand
> Vested Interests
>
> Again. I like honesty. I know how a real Kenyan lives, obviously there is
> much you don't know about me, and I would never use a personal smear in such
> a discussion. Well, then maybe you are RIGHT. If that is the mark of a
> Kenyan.
>
> I have suffered poverty and hunger in the village alongside women. I have
> carried water on my head for kilometers. Every day for over a year I hiked
> everywhere with my three year old daughter tied to my back in a kanga.
>
> Sir, what is the mark of a Kenyan?
>
> I have given everything I owned to Kenya twice. Once when I moved here and
> once when I had to evacuate the post-election violence. How many would be
> willing to give up everything they owned and live in poverty in a rural
> village to understand Kenya?
>
> I respect you as a professional, but you have no right to judge my
> "Kenyanness" through a list forum.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Crystal
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:13 AM, nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt at kencall.com>wrote:
>
>> I agree totally.
>> Sounds like someone needs to do something more productive than try to
>> insinuate there is anything wrong here with Kenya becoming a more investor
>> friendly and respectful environment...  Perhaps this person needs to put
>> their own money where their mouth is and then they will get a very different
>> perspective about how they would like their money to be used if they were to
>> invest in anything substantial in Kenya...
>>
>> It is Econet's investors' money.  It is not Kenya's money...
>>
>> Do we want the investment in Kenya, the competition, the jobs, the
>> participation of Essar, or do we want to play a nationalistic game based on
>> rich and passively investing Kenyans getting the lion's share of someone's
>> investment in Kenya, just because they are powerful and the law mandates
>> that they they should have a piece of someone else's hard earned investment?
>>  The wananchi wouldn't share in any Econet investment even if it were still
>> required by the law to have a local partner, it would be some Mobiletea
>> kinds of individuals who would slide up to Econet and scare them into
>> partnering with the locals... just the same way as it always has been in
>> Kenya and in such countries that adopt such market distorting and investment
>> unfriendly policies...
>> Bravo, Daktari Ndemo!
>>
>>
>>    Nicholas A. Nesbitt
>> Chief Executive Officer
>> KenCall EPZ Ltd
>> P.O. Box 27507 - 00506
>> Sameer Industrial Park, Mombasa Road
>> Nairobi, Kenya
>>
>> +254.20.660.2000 (office)
>> +254.20.660.2222 (fax)
>> +254.721.458.458 (cell)
>>
>> nnesbitt at kencall.com
>> www.kencall.com
>>
>> BEST Non-European Contact Centre 2008
>>
>>
>>
>> *Fastest Growing Top 100 company*
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Crystal Watley wrote:
>>
>> I have known Dr. Ndemo for some time now and have found him to be nothing
>> less than a man of integrity. I have seen his name drawn through the mud
>> next to other politicians in the past. Let me be very honest and frank in
>> this matter.
>>
>> When are we in Kenya going to get past this political mud slinging and
>> look at the actual WORK performance of our leaders? When I watch the news I
>> see very few Kenyan political leaders really working. They are always
>> campaigning and pretending THAT is their job. In many cases it IS their way
>> of making money, although it is NOT what we pay them for doing.
>>
>> Most of our political leaders do not have the ACTUAL work performance
>> record of Dr. Ndemo. We know the long hours he works. I have been in his
>> office at 7 am and at 7 pm. Those of us of who know him have seen this is
>> the rule NOT the exception.
>>
>> Someday I hope in Kenya we understand we must judge everyone in public
>> office by their actual work PERFORMANCE. Politicians are OUR employees. They
>> work for the people of Kenya. They should be judged as an employer views an
>> employee. How hard are they working for develoment? What good comes from
>> their initiatives? Are they professional? Are they in the office working? We
>> need to set higher standards for our government. This is not accomplished by
>> breaking the good ones down.
>>
>> Asante sana.
>>
>> Crystal
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <brian at caret.net>wrote:
>>
>>> Smells like a smear campaign to me.
>>>
>>> I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong.
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina wrote:
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>>
>>
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