[kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis

Tue Nov 18 17:31:57 EAT 2008

Wainaina

This is the messaage you are talking about.

Am sorry I didnt send it to the whole group as I hit reply instead of reply
to all

That haappens but it was meant for kila mtu

Alai

On 11/18/08, Robert Alai <alai.robert at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Wainaina
>
> Know that the fact that you dont agree with someone doesnt mean that you
> must raid the media house.
>
> Thats what you are trying to say here. We are discussing IT matters and
> what you bring are your personal problems.
>
> If you have spammed my address and lists, why make noise? Blacklists them.
> I will handle that in another way and know that I am registered in this
> forum all through and this forum doesnt belong to Wainaina and the ealier
> you realise that the better for you. Lets discuss matters which help this
> nation and not go personal because let me assure you that for every on of my
> actions before and in th future, I have a perfect answer for them.
>
> If you have a problem with BidiiAfrika send an email to
> bidiiafrika-owner at googlegroups.com.
>
> And again on Media, I like NMG since they have toned rhetoric and very high
> voltage news unlike KTN and standard group which still report like Kenya is
> going to war. I disagree with them but surely I wont like anybody raiding
> them
>
> Regards
> Alai
>
> On 11/18/08, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina at madeinkenya.org> wrote:
>>
>> This is exactly the feedback I expected. I'm not at all disappointed
>> as it has happened before.
>>
>> KICTANet needs to do something about importing such conduct from other
>> lists.
>>
>>
>> Wainaina
>>
>>
>> On 11/18/08, Robert Alai <alai.robert at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a
>> > critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers.
>> >
>> > I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus
>> > I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses.
>> >
>> > Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and
>> > "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of
>> > subscription by choice rather than forced numbers.
>> >
>> > I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii
>> > africa and other lists.
>> >
>> > Wainaina. See the reply I gave to Gakuru. Blame your teacher and you
>> have no
>> > use being in KICTANET if you cant even know how to operate simple email
>> > addresses in,lists
>> >
>> >
>> > Alai
>> >
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>> > On 11/18/08, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina at madeinkenya.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a
>> >> critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers.
>> >>
>> >> I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus
>> >> I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses.
>> >>
>> >> Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and
>> >> "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of
>> >> subscription by choice rather than forced numbers.
>> >>
>> >> I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii
>> >> africa and other lists.
>> >>
>> >> Wainaina
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 11/18/08, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Alai,
>> >> >
>> >> > I am somewhat now tempted to start a local content blog focusing on
>> >> > 'opinion influencers' and opinion shapers themselves - informed by
>> the
>> >> > fact that, content is king and awaited 'future online content
>> warfare'
>> >> > arrived a long time ago.
>> >> >
>> >> > So despite excluding my skunkworks presentation from your firing
>> >> > squad, I shall nonetheless shoot back at you;)
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Robert Alai <alai.robert at gmail.com
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> Mirembe
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother
>> >> >> still
>> >> >> sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we
>> want
>> >> >> local
>> >> >> content we must stilldo it with foreigners'.
>> >> >
>> >> > Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our
>> >> > Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent
>> that
>> >> > 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow  we expected to
>> >> > make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should
>> >> > not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign'
>> >> > computers, 'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only localyy
>> >> > made?" That was heavy!
>> >> >
>> >> >>Let me tell you a thing. We
>> >> >> must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of
>> >> >> Joe
>> >> >> Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have
>> >> attended
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan.
>> >> >> The
>> >> >> fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan
>> >> should
>> >> >> make Mucheru sell Kenya more.
>> >> >
>> >> > Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room
>> >> > were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand accused
>> >> > of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;)
>> >> >
>> >> >> If you wanted a subscription website, you
>> >> >> should have started with kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates,
>> >> >> mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it
>> lots of
>> >> >> thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign
>> ones
>> >> >> just
>> >> >> as an after-thought.
>> >> >
>> >> > I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the audience
>> >> > to articulate you point?
>> >> >
>> >> >> We want the companies to give the local content much thought and
>> they
>> >> can
>> >> >> only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe
>> that
>> >> >> facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are
>> >> engaging
>> >> >> more in bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They
>> are
>> >> >> actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really
>> >> coming
>> >> >> up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice
>> >> >> things
>> >> >> from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start
>> >> >> appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site,
>> >> >> www.kasarani.com
>> >> >
>> >> > Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales pitch
>> >> > for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote
>> >> > local content.
>> >> >
>> >> >> When I started my start forum and blogging thing, jamiiforums.com,
>> we
>> >> had
>> >> >> lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum
>> >> >> which
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because
>> >> Tanzanians
>> >> >> don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that
>> >> >> there
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic.
>> >> >
>> >> > Me, me, me again... Try a bit of our, our, our, country's local
>> content.
>> >> >
>> >> >> There is no forum
>> >> >> in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when
>> issues
>> >> are
>> >> >> being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in
>> >> >> Swahili.
>> >> >> We
>> >> >> must focus on being local if we want local content.
>> >> >
>> >> > 'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature, and
>> >> > Judiciacy.
>> >> > If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be
>> in
>> >> > very serious trouble...
>> >> >
>> >> >> NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site
>> without
>> >> a
>> >> >> forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV,
>> EasyFm
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox
>> are
>> >> >> plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and
>> articles
>> >> in
>> >> >> entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines
>> >> like
>> >> >> cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word.
>> >> >
>> >> > Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have
>> done
>> >> > right?
>> >> >
>> >> >> The Tandaa website was .com and not .co.ke. Even if you are not
>> hosting
>> >> >> locally, you could still have had a local domain registration.
>> >> >
>> >> > Had you tried http://www.tandaa.co.ke/ before the conference? BTW, I
>> >> > host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It
>> can
>> >> > be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive ISP?
>> >> > Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider
>> >> > 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of
>> >> > decision making procees..
>> >> >
>> >> >> The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7
>> speakers
>> >> >> speak for 15 minutes each and then  the forum audience is given 10
>> >> minutes
>> >> >> to ask questions and suggestions?
>> >> >
>> >> > The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough.
>> >> >
>> >> >>Do you know that the slides from Capital,
>> >> >> NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco
>> and
>> >> >> others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They
>> have
>> >> >> become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and
>> even
>> >> >> slides which you have never seen is from the public.
>> >> >
>> >> > Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published
>> >> > every
>> >> > year?
>> >> >
>> >> >>Givingg 15 minutes to
>> >> >> each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the
>> >> audience
>> >> >> asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows
>> and
>> >> >> attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might
>> >> embarass
>> >> >> the speakers with questions.
>> >> >
>> >> > You just created conveniently suitable circumstances to arrive at
>> your
>> >> > conclusion?
>> >> >
>> >> >> The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags,
>> was
>> >> >> ok
>> >> >> but
>> >> >> I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable
>> well
>> >> >> spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to
>> >> rely
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down.
>> >> >
>> >> > Would it not have been fair to mention some of those 'ok' facts. Its
>> >> > called "fair commentating"
>> >> >
>> >> >> We also think that we can have an active network and the best place
>> to
>> >> >> start
>> >> >> is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open
>> >> vbulletin
>> >> >> run forum with CMS managed frontpage like www.haitiwebs.com and
>> >> >> www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take
>> us
>> >> >> even
>> >> >> a day to have this thing up and running.
>> >> >
>> >> > Dunno..
>> >> >
>> >> >> Senior members, what do you think?
>> >> >
>> >> > I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing
>> about
>> >> > multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to
>> format
>> >> > their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted
>> >> > critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and
>> praise
>> >> > excellent achievement.
>> >> >
>> >> > Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could
>> >> > explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me for
>> >> > their next such conference.
>> >> >
>> >> > Rider:
>> >> >
>> >> > There is a clip one run NTV of an Edloret pharmacist who literary and
>> >> > severally slapped himself on the face upon being visited by
>> Pharmacies
>> >> > and Poisons Board drug inspectors.
>> >> > Let's not always take the shrtest route to slap every great
>> >> > initiative, erroneously.
>> >> >
>> >> > Also we avoid "local content spam", for example, forced mailing lists
>> >> > subscriptions;)
>> >> >
>> >> > G'day,
>> >> >
>> >>
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