[kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis

Tue Nov 18 12:34:44 EAT 2008

This is exactly the feedback I expected. I'm not at all disappointed
as it has happened before.

KICTANet needs to do something about importing such conduct from other lists.

Wainaina

On 11/18/08, Robert Alai <alai.robert at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
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> As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a
> critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers.
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> I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus
> I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses.
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> Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and
> "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of
> subscription by choice rather than forced numbers.
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> I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii
> africa and other lists.
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> Wainaina. See the reply I gave to Gakuru. Blame your teacher and you have no
> use being in KICTANET if you cant even know how to operate simple email
> addresses in,lists
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> On 11/18/08, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina at madeinkenya.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a
>> critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers.
>>
>> I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus
>> I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses.
>>
>> Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and
>> "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of
>> subscription by choice rather than forced numbers.
>>
>> I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii
>> africa and other lists.
>>
>> Wainaina
>>
>>
>> On 11/18/08, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Alai,
>> >
>> > I am somewhat now tempted to start a local content blog focusing on
>> > 'opinion influencers' and opinion shapers themselves - informed by the
>> > fact that, content is king and awaited 'future online content warfare'
>> > arrived a long time ago.
>> >
>> > So despite excluding my skunkworks presentation from your firing
>> > squad, I shall nonetheless shoot back at you;)
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Robert Alai <alai.robert at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Mirembe
>> >>
>> >> I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference.
>> >>
>> >> The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother
>> >> still
>> >> sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we want
>> >> local
>> >> content we must stilldo it with foreigners'.
>> >
>> > Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our
>> > Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent that
>> > 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow  we expected to
>> > make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should
>> > not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign'
>> > computers, 'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only localyy
>> > made?" That was heavy!
>> >
>> >>Let me tell you a thing. We
>> >> must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of
>> >> Joe
>> >> Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have
>> attended
>> >> in
>> >> which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan.
>> >> The
>> >> fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan
>> should
>> >> make Mucheru sell Kenya more.
>> >
>> > Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room
>> > were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand accused
>> > of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;)
>> >
>> >> If you wanted a subscription website, you
>> >> should have started with kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates,
>> >> mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots of
>> >> thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign ones
>> >> just
>> >> as an after-thought.
>> >
>> > I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the audience
>> > to articulate you point?
>> >
>> >> We want the companies to give the local content much thought and they
>> can
>> >> only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe that
>> >> facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are
>> engaging
>> >> more in bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They are
>> >> actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really
>> coming
>> >> up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice
>> >> things
>> >> from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start
>> >> appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site,
>> >> www.kasarani.com
>> >
>> > Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales pitch
>> > for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote
>> > local content.
>> >
>> >> When I started my start forum and blogging thing, jamiiforums.com, we
>> had
>> >> lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum
>> >> which
>> >> is
>> >> being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because
>> Tanzanians
>> >> don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that
>> >> there
>> >> is
>> >> any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic.
>> >
>> > Me, me, me again... Try a bit of our, our, our, country's local content.
>> >
>> >> There is no forum
>> >> in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when issues
>> are
>> >> being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in
>> >> Swahili.
>> >> We
>> >> must focus on being local if we want local content.
>> >
>> > 'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature, and
>> > Judiciacy.
>> > If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be in
>> > very serious trouble...
>> >
>> >> NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site without
>> a
>> >> forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV, EasyFm
>> >> and
>> >> QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox are
>> >> plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and articles
>> in
>> >> entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines
>> like
>> >> cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word.
>> >
>> > Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have done
>> > right?
>> >
>> >> The Tandaa website was .com and not .co.ke. Even if you are not hosting
>> >> locally, you could still have had a local domain registration.
>> >
>> > Had you tried http://www.tandaa.co.ke/ before the conference? BTW, I
>> > host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It can
>> > be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive ISP?
>> > Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider
>> > 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of
>> > decision making procees..
>> >
>> >> The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7 speakers
>> >> speak for 15 minutes each and then  the forum audience is given 10
>> minutes
>> >> to ask questions and suggestions?
>> >
>> > The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough.
>> >
>> >>Do you know that the slides from Capital,
>> >> NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco and
>> >> others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They have
>> >> become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and even
>> >> slides which you have never seen is from the public.
>> >
>> > Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published
>> > every
>> > year?
>> >
>> >>Givingg 15 minutes to
>> >> each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the
>> audience
>> >> asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows and
>> >> attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might
>> embarass
>> >> the speakers with questions.
>> >
>> > You just created conveniently suitable circumstances to arrive at your
>> > conclusion?
>> >
>> >> The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, was
>> >> ok
>> >> but
>> >> I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable well
>> >> spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to
>> rely
>> >> on
>> >> my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down.
>> >
>> > Would it not have been fair to mention some of those 'ok' facts. Its
>> > called "fair commentating"
>> >
>> >> We also think that we can have an active network and the best place to
>> >> start
>> >> is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open
>> vbulletin
>> >> run forum with CMS managed frontpage like www.haitiwebs.com and
>> >> www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take us
>> >> even
>> >> a day to have this thing up and running.
>> >
>> > Dunno..
>> >
>> >> Senior members, what do you think?
>> >
>> > I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing about
>> > multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to format
>> > their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted
>> > critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and praise
>> > excellent achievement.
>> >
>> > Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could
>> > explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me for
>> > their next such conference.
>> >
>> > Rider:
>> >
>> > There is a clip one run NTV of an Edloret pharmacist who literary and
>> > severally slapped himself on the face upon being visited by Pharmacies
>> > and Poisons Board drug inspectors.
>> > Let's not always take the shrtest route to slap every great
>> > initiative, erroneously.
>> >
>> > Also we avoid "local content spam", for example, forced mailing lists
>> > subscriptions;)
>> >
>> > G'day,
>> >
>>
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