[kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis

Tue Nov 18 11:11:45 EAT 2008

Oketch

Yours is personal and men never fight wars through women. I wish not to
elaborate on how you fight your wars through women but know that the problem
you have is very very personal and you better not start discussing it here
on KICTANET because you wont stomach when I decide to tell my part because
you couldnt stomach when I called you. You dont have guts to face a fellow
man why involve women.

You were a memeber and a willing member and you subscribed yourself into
KaziAfrika and you were one time the leading contributor. But I dont know
how you came to realise how I am your enemy and started fighting me through
women. grow beyond that and leave KICTANET out of personal fights ndugu.
Guys who know Oketch wlll see him with Nokia E61i. I sold him that phone and
Oketch is  a very good friend of mine and a drinking mate until when he
started using women to fight wars.

Brother, lets not start it here

Alai

On 11/18/08, Joseph Okech <okechukwu at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Robert,
>
> You are a good friend of mine and am glad at last there is a mailing list
> where you are subscribed to and brought up this issue. You did subscribe me
> to alot of your mailing lists without my consent, and I did bring this to
> your attention and it took you ages to unsubscribe me - afew of my
> colleagues
> have also been through this - which in one word is disheartening.
>
> I also have a problem with the way you muzzle conversations on 'your'
> lists.
> Any post that does not sing your praise is silently discarded by the admin
> -
> and those that praise how good a job you are doing are held up in the most
> high.
>
> I too believe that you are the last person who should talk about these
> other
> matters before cleaning up your house.
>
> ./Ok3ch
>
>
>
> On Tuesday 18 November 2008 08:22:14 am Wainaina Mungai wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a
> > critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers.
> >
> > I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus
> > I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses.
> >
> > Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and
> > "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of
> > subscription by choice rather than forced numbers.
> >
> > I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii
> > africa and other lists.
> >
> > Wainaina
> >
> > On 11/18/08, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Alai,
> > >
> > > I am somewhat now tempted to start a local content blog focusing on
> > > 'opinion influencers' and opinion shapers themselves - informed by the
> > > fact that, content is king and awaited 'future online content warfare'
> > > arrived a long time ago.
> > >
> > > So despite excluding my skunkworks presentation from your firing
> > > squad, I shall nonetheless shoot back at you;)
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Robert Alai <alai.robert at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >> Mirembe
> > >>
> > >> I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference.
> > >>
> > >> The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother
> still
> > >> sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we want
> > >> local
> > >> content we must stilldo it with foreigners'.
> > >
> > > Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our
> > > Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent that
> > > 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow  we expected to
> > > make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should
> > > not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign'
> > > computers, 'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only localyy
> > > made?" That was heavy!
> > >
> > >>Let me tell you a thing. We
> > >> must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of
> Joe
> > >> Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have
> > >> attended in
> > >> which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan.
> The
> > >> fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan
> > >> should make Mucheru sell Kenya more.
> > >
> > > Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room
> > > were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand accused
> > > of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;)
> > >
> > >> If you wanted a subscription website, you
> > >> should have started with kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates,
> > >> mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots
> of
> > >> thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign ones
> > >> just
> > >> as an after-thought.
> > >
> > > I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the audience
> > > to articulate you point?
> > >
> > >> We want the companies to give the local content much thought and they
> > >> can only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe
> > >> that facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are
> > >> engaging more in bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others.
> > >> They are actively loading pics and content and these two websites are
> > >> really coming up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will
> > >> see nice things from them. We should not glorify anything western. We
> > >> must start appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a
> good
> > >> site, www.kasarani.com
> > >
> > > Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales pitch
> > > for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote
> > > local content.
> > >
> > >> When I started my start forum and blogging thing, jamiiforums.com, we
> > >> had lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum
> > >> which is
> > >> being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because
> > >> Tanzanians don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't
> think
> > >> that there is
> > >> any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic.
> > >
> > > Me, me, me again... Try a bit of our, our, our, country's local
> content.
> > >
> > >> There is no forum
> > >> in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when issues
> > >> are being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in
> > >> Swahili. We
> > >> must focus on being local if we want local content.
> > >
> > > 'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature, and
> > > Judiciacy.
> > > If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be in
> > > very serious trouble...
> > >
> > >> NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site
> without
> > >> a forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV,
> > >> EasyFm and
> > >> QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox are
> > >> plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and articles
> > >> in entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from
> magazines
> > >> like cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word.
> > >
> > > Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have done
> > > right?
> > >
> > >> The Tandaa website was .com and not .co.ke. Even if you are not
> hosting
> > >> locally, you could still have had a local domain registration.
> > >
> > > Had you tried http://www.tandaa.co.ke/ before the conference? BTW, I
> > > host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It can
> > > be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive ISP?
> > > Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider
> > > 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of
> > > decision making procees..
> > >
> > >> The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7
> speakers
> > >> speak for 15 minutes each and then  the forum audience is given 10
> > >> minutes to ask questions and suggestions?
> > >
> > > The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough.
> > >
> > >>Do you know that the slides from Capital,
> > >> NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco
> and
> > >> others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They have
> > >> become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and even
> > >> slides which you have never seen is from the public.
> > >
> > > Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published
> every
> > > year?
> > >
> > >>Givingg 15 minutes to
> > >> each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the
> > >> audience asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and
> > >> shows and attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they
> > >> might embarass the speakers with questions.
> > >
> > > You just created conveniently suitable circumstances to arrive at your
> > > conclusion?
> > >
> > >> The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, was
> ok
> > >> but
> > >> I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable well
> > >> spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to
> > >> rely on
> > >> my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down.
> > >
> > > Would it not have been fair to mention some of those 'ok' facts. Its
> > > called "fair commentating"
> > >
> > >> We also think that we can have an active network and the best place to
> > >> start
> > >> is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open
> > >> vbulletin run forum with CMS managed frontpage like www.haitiwebs.com
> > >> and www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont
> take
> > >> us even
> > >> a day to have this thing up and running.
> > >
> > > Dunno..
> > >
> > >> Senior members, what do you think?
> > >
> > > I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing about
> > > multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to format
> > > their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted
> > > critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and praise
> > > excellent achievement.
> > >
> > > Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could
> > > explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me for
> > > their next such conference.
> > >
> > > Rider:
> > >
> > > There is a clip one run NTV of an Edloret pharmacist who literary and
> > > severally slapped himself on the face upon being visited by Pharmacies
> > > and Poisons Board drug inspectors.
> > > Let's not always take the shrtest route to slap every great
> > > initiative, erroneously.
> > >
> > > Also we avoid "local content spam", for example, forced mailing lists
> > > subscriptions;)
> > >
> > > G'day,
> > >
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