[kictanet] Kenya ICT Sector Stakeholder Public Forum (was Re: Legislation and Discipline & Ethic

[Brian Longwe]

A Kenyan version of the Green Card - v. interesting ......

Brian

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Leonard Mware <mleonardo at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Walu,
> Now that you have said it loud enough, I wish to ask PS Ndemo (and any
> other 'strong' man/woman on the list) to fast track Florence's citizenship (
> I pray that she accepts) because for reality we need brains such as hers. I
> am a strong believer in migration and it is a fact that development for this
> country will only come about if we encourage migration of talent to our
> country. This is where USA/Europe (and India, yes, India!) is and we all
> know what they do to get  talents on board.
> BTW, without migration from countries such as India, Nigeria, Europe etc (I
> hope Hon. Kajwang was listening), the realization of this country's full ICT
> potential will take a long time.
> Locally, we all know what some communities have done by 'exporting' their
> talent in business and farming to other parts of the country. Unfortunately,
> xenophobic tones (as witnessed in this list) helped turn some into IDPs.
> What I suggest is an organized approach to encourage migration of ICT
> talent and investment to Kenya. This should be part of the Workplan/Business
> plan Dr. Ndemo and Dr. Ochuodho were talking about earlier on the list.
>
> Leonard
>
>
>
> *John Walubengo <jwalu at yahoo.com>* wrote:
>
> I agree with Alex/Leonard,
>
> Lets not get xenophobic. F.E simply offered to referee/moderate the session
> and not necessarily steal our family goat. And yes, she played a significant
> role during the conception of KICTAnet...and it is a bit rude -to say the
> least - just to knock her out because she is not Kenyan.
>
> Lets be strategic - we are seeking a service and if that service is BEST
> delivered by Mrs X or Mr. Y so be it - their nationality is secondary. That
> i believe is the phylosophy behind Business Process Outsourcing (BPO)which
> we are supposed to be embracing in a big way.
>
> That said, other members are free to offer their moderating services and
> may we chose/vote based on value and rather than xenophobic tendencies.
>
> walu.
> NB:it appears this list is really undergoing (premature?) teenage syndromes
> after just 4years in operation - no wonder they say time on the internet is
> four times faster than time in real life!
>
>
> --- On Tue, 7/15/08, Leonard Mware wrote:
> From: Leonard Mware
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Sector Stakeholder Public Forum (was Re:
> Legislation and Discipline & Ethics
> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> Cc: "kictanet-lists"
> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 9:30 AM
>
> Alex, I agree with you. Those who know the history of KICTANET know what
> role Florence played in its formation. Yea, Florence is not a 'foreigner' to
> ICT in Kenya or KICTANET and she will definitely be a good 'judge' as you
> put it. Leonard
>
> "Gakuru , Alex" wrote: Joseph, You make the meeting scary;) We are not
> going to war just meeting
>
> to thrush out a few piky local stakeholders issues. Therefore a
> distinguished
> "foreigner" (actually difficult to view her that way) who has walked
> alongside
> our ICT policy formulation process will help us reflect where we have come
> from, the ICT Canaan-steering us away from distractions leading us astray.
>
> She has deservedly been called "Mama ICT" (Policy) and I respect the lady
> as forum "judge." What do the
> others feel about her word being final? I am
> ok with it.
>
> On a light note, I fear if we take "enclosed" angle, we may end up asking
> for
> 42 regionally balanced facilitators and then be assured several will skip
> it.
>
> Alex
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Joseph Manthi wrote:
> > Florence:
> > Don't you think you should let Kenyan's deal with their own stuff instead
> of
> > you foreigners interfering? This is equivalent to you being invited to
> > someone's else's house and asking to sleep in the parent's bed. It is
> high
> > time you let us do our own things for our benefit.
> >
> > Brian, I vote no to this.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Florence Etta
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> My dear Brian,
> >>
> >> May I humbly publicly offer my services to facilitate such a Forum since
> >> I am NOT Kenyan I wil not take
> sides.
> >>
> >> Besides, I am passionate about developments in this sector and in the
> >> continent at large and I love to bring people together to discuss
> >> constructiuvely. Trust me.
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Florence Etta
> >>
> >> Alternative Email:florence.etta at gmail.com<Email%3Aflorence.etta at gmail.com>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Brian Munyao Longwe
> >> To: feanywhere at yahoo.co.uk
> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> >> Sent: Monday, 14 July, 2008 4:39:57 PM
> >> Subject: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Sector Stakeholder Public Forum (was Re:
> >> Legislation and Discipline & Ethics)
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> We are proposing a Public Forum on Thursday 31st of July to be held at a
> >> suitable venue in Nairobi. The objective will be to provide all the
> >> different
> ICT stakeholder organisations within Kenya a chance to introduce
> >> themselves and their policies to the public.
> >> There will also be opportunity to evaluate Kenya's ICT ecosystem,
> >> especially with regards to the different entities, their missions, roles
> and
> >> goals. As well as provide organisations such as KEPSA with an
> opportunity to
> >> share their view/vision on how they expect ICT sector input/engagement.
> >> Formal announcement will be posted once details have been worked out,
> but
> >> in the meantime please pencil this into your schedules. We can also
> explore
> >> the possibility of an IP stream for the Diaspora... if there is interest
> in
> >> tracking this.
> >> Warm regards,
> >> Brian
> >> On Jul 14, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Bill Kagai wrote:
> >>
> >> Daktari,
> >>
> >> I agree with you to some extent. If I were to chronicle the genesis of
> the
> >> problem, some organisations were/are feeling choked by KIF especially in
> >> relation to KEPSA. In my opinion, this means that KIF has managed to do
> many
> >> things better than others to get where they are. However, that should
> not
> >> mean that KIF now becomes the blanket representative of the industry in
> >> matters pertaining to KEPSA. Other specialised organisations e.g.
> >> Skunkworks, CSK, Kictanet etc should have equal opportunity to adress
> their
> >> sector specific concerns with any stakeholder.
> [Government/Industry/Public].
> >> E.g. If a foreign software house came to Government seeking advice on
> how to
> >> partner with the local industry, why should KIF seize the opportunity
> when
> >> we know that Skunkworks is more adept in those matters?? [Caveat -
> >> organisations mentioned for purpose of elaboration only]
> >>
> >> The crux of the matter is that these
> new organisations do not come up
> >> because of sector specific concerns they wish addressed...service,
> >> bandwidth, policy, payment gateways etc but because officials running
> >> established organisations have become 'Mugabes' resisting change and
> growing
> >> old [literally] in those positions.
> >>
> >> You are best placed to provide leadership here by insisting that you
> will
> >> only engage with organisations that run efficient structures with clear
> >> mandates from their electorates and I will follow by paying membership
> in
> >> all organisations that I feel will help air my business concerns in the
> >> industry. Actually, I will be comfortable dealing with your ministry
> through
> >> my sector organisation instead of all us queueing at your reception. And
> I
> >> will hold my organisation leader responsible and thus create more time
> for
> >> you to engage with
> others.
> >>
> >> Waudo::: You know what am talking about. Be brave...wachia vijana
> usukani.
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:30 PM, wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Bill,
> >>> In my view, such fracases are an indication of the level of activity in
> >>> our sector. We however must exercise our freedom of speech with
> >>> responsibility. If nothing was happening, nobody will feel squeezed.
> >>>
> >>> We must show the world that inspite of our differences, we are able to
> >>> remain focused. I wish we spent more energy on diffusion of technoloy.
> We
> >>> have limitless opportunities in this sector that we must encourage more
> >>> foreign equity participation to ensure a flow of technology transfer.
> This
> >>> is what the NICs did.
> >>>
> >>>
> Asante.
> >>>
> >>> Ndemo.
> >>>
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