<div dir="ltr">A Kenyan version of the Green Card - v. interesting ......<br><br>Brian<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Leonard Mware <<a href="mailto:mleonardo@yahoo.com">mleonardo@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div>Walu,</div> <div>Now that you have said it loud enough, I wish to ask PS Ndemo (and any other 'strong' man/woman on the list) to fast track Florence's citizenship ( I pray that she accepts) because for reality we need brains such as hers. I am a strong believer in migration and it is a fact that development for this country will only come about if we encourage migration of talent to our country. This is where USA/Europe (and India, yes, India!) is and we all know what they do to get talents on board.</div>
<div>BTW, without migration from countries such as India, Nigeria, Europe etc (I hope Hon. Kajwang was listening), the realization of this country's full ICT potential will take a long time.</div> <div>Locally, we all know what some communities have done by 'exporting' their talent in business and farming to other parts of the country. Unfortunately, xenophobic tones (as witnessed in this list) helped turn some into IDPs.</div>
<div>What I suggest is an organized approach to encourage migration of ICT talent and investment to Kenya. This should be part of the Workplan/Business plan Dr. Ndemo and Dr. Ochuodho were talking about earlier on the list.</div>
<div> </div> <div>Leonard</div><div class="Ih2E3d"> <div> </div> <div><br><br><b><i>John Walubengo <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>></i></b> wrote:</div> </div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">I agree with Alex/Leonard,<br><br>Lets not get xenophobic. F.E simply offered to referee/moderate the session and not necessarily steal our family goat. And yes, she played a significant role during the conception of KICTAnet...and it is a bit rude -to say the least - just to knock her out because she is not Kenyan.<br>
<br>Lets be strategic - we are seeking a service and if that service is BEST delivered by Mrs X or Mr. Y so be it - their nationality is secondary. That i believe is the
phylosophy behind Business Process Outsourcing (BPO)which we are supposed to be embracing in a big way.<br><br>That said, other members are free to offer their moderating services and may we chose/vote based on value and rather than xenophobic tendencies.<br>
<br>walu.<br>NB:it appears this list is really undergoing (premature?) teenage syndromes after just 4years in operation - no wonder they say time on the internet is four times faster than time in real life!<br><br><br></div>
--- On Tue, 7/15/08, Leonard Mware wrote:<br>From: Leonard Mware <br><div class="Ih2E3d">Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Sector Stakeholder Public Forum (was Re: Legislation and Discipline & Ethics<br>To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>
Cc: "kictanet-lists" <br></div><div class="Ih2E3d">Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 9:30 AM<br><br>Alex, I agree with you. Those who know the history of KICTANET know what role Florence played in its formation. Yea, Florence is not a 'foreigner' to ICT in
Kenya or KICTANET and she will definitely be a good 'judge' as you put it. Leonard <br><br></div>"Gakuru , Alex" wrote: Joseph, You make the meeting scary;) We are not going to war just meeting<div><div>
</div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>to thrush out a few piky local stakeholders issues. Therefore a distinguished<br>"foreigner" (actually difficult to view her that way) who has walked alongside<br>our ICT policy formulation process will help us reflect where we have come<br>
from, the ICT Canaan-steering us away from distractions leading us astray.<br><br>She has deservedly been called "Mama ICT" (Policy) and I respect the lady<br>as forum "judge." What do the<br>others feel about her word being final? I am<br>
ok with it.<br><br>On a light note, I fear if we take "enclosed" angle, we may end up asking for<br>42 regionally balanced facilitators and then be assured several will skip it.<br><br>Alex<br><br>On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Joseph Manthi wrote:<br>
> Florence:<br>> Don't you
think you should let Kenyan's deal with their own stuff instead of<br>> you foreigners interfering? This is equivalent to you being invited to<br>> someone's else's house and asking to sleep in the parent's bed. It is high<br>
> time you let us do our own things for our benefit.<br>><br>> Brian, I vote no to this.<br>><br>> Joe<br>><br>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Florence Etta <br>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> My dear Brian,<br>
>><br>>> May I humbly publicly offer my services to facilitate such a Forum since<br>>> I am NOT Kenyan I wil not take<br>sides.<br>>><br>>> Besides, I am passionate about developments in this sector and in the<br>
>> continent at large and I love to bring people together to discuss<br>>> constructiuvely. Trust me.<br>>><br>>><br>>> Cheers,<br>>> Florence Etta<br>>><br>>> Alternative
<a href="mailto:Email%3Aflorence.etta@gmail.com" target="_blank">Email:florence.etta@gmail.com</a><br>>><br>>> ----- Original Message ----<br>>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe <br>>> To: <a href="mailto:feanywhere@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">feanywhere@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <br>>> Sent: Monday, 14 July, 2008 4:39:57 PM<br>>> Subject: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Sector Stakeholder Public Forum (was Re:<br>>> Legislation and Discipline & Ethics)<br>
>><br>>> Hi all,<br>>> We are proposing a Public Forum on Thursday 31st of July to be held at a<br>>> suitable venue in Nairobi. The objective will be to provide all the<br>>> different<br>ICT stakeholder organisations within Kenya a chance to introduce<br>
>> themselves and their policies to the public.<br>>> There will also be opportunity to evaluate Kenya's ICT ecosystem,<br>>> especially with regards to the different entities, their missions, roles and<br>
>> goals. As well as provide organisations such as KEPSA with an
opportunity to<br>>> share their view/vision on how they expect ICT sector input/engagement.<br>>> Formal announcement will be posted once details have been worked out, but<br>>> in the meantime please pencil this into your schedules. We can also explore<br>
>> the possibility of an IP stream for the Diaspora... if there is interest in<br>>> tracking this.<br>>> Warm regards,<br>>> Brian<br>>> On Jul 14, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Bill Kagai wrote:<br>>><br>
>> Daktari,<br>>><br>>> I agree with you to some extent. If I were to chronicle the genesis of<br>the<br>>> problem, some organisations were/are feeling choked by KIF especially in<br>>> relation to KEPSA. In my opinion, this means that KIF has managed to do many<br>
>> things better than others to get where they are. However, that should not<br>>> mean that KIF now becomes the blanket representative of the industry in<br>>>
matters pertaining to KEPSA. Other specialised organisations e.g.<br>>> Skunkworks, CSK, Kictanet etc should have equal opportunity to adress their<br>>> sector specific concerns with any stakeholder. [Government/Industry/Public].<br>
>> E.g. If a foreign software house came to Government seeking advice on how to<br>>> partner with the local industry, why should KIF seize the opportunity when<br>>> we know that Skunkworks is more adept in those matters?? [Caveat -<br>
>> organisations mentioned for purpose of elaboration only]<br>>><br>>> The crux of the matter is that these<br>new organisations do not come up<br>>> because of sector specific concerns they wish addressed...service,<br>
>> bandwidth, policy, payment gateways etc but because officials running<br>>> established organisations have become 'Mugabes' resisting change and growing<br>>> old [literally] in those positions.<br>
>><br>>>
You are best placed to provide leadership here by insisting that you will<br>>> only engage with organisations that run efficient structures with clear<br>>> mandates from their electorates and I will follow by paying membership in<br>
>> all organisations that I feel will help air my business concerns in the<br>>> industry. Actually, I will be comfortable dealing with your ministry through<br>>> my sector organisation instead of all us queueing at your reception. And I<br>
>> will hold my organisation leader responsible and thus create more time for<br>>> you to engage with<br>others.<br>>><br>>> Waudo::: You know what am talking about. Be brave...wachia vijana usukani.<br>
>><br>>> Bill<br>>><br>>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:30 PM, wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> Bill,<br>>>> In my view, such fracases are an indication of the level of activity in<br>>>> our sector. We
however must exercise our freedom of speech with<br>>>> responsibility. If nothing was happening, nobody will feel squeezed.<br>>>><br>>>> We must show the world that inspite of our differences, we are able to<br>
>>> remain focused. I wish we spent more energy on diffusion of technoloy. We<br>>>> have limitless opportunities in this sector that we must encourage more<br>>>> foreign equity participation to ensure a flow of technology transfer. This<br>
>>> is what the NICs did.<br>>>><br>>>><br>Asante.<br>>>><br>>>> Ndemo.<br>>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> kictanet mailing list<br>
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