[kictanet] Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and Regulation fore-Commerce in Kenya
waudo siganga
emailsignet at mailcan.com
Sun Jul 13 09:19:42 EAT 2008
Hi All - I am the one that asserted that Kenyan (ICT)
associations should be run by Kenyans and I stand by that. It has
absolutely nothing to do with racism. Every country has policies
to protect its people. Even in the USA you can only stand for
president if you were born American. Is that racism? Associations
are at the heart of pushing for policy and it pains me to see
foreigners jostling Kenyans out of the way and being the ones
running up and down the Government corridors carrying "position
papers".
I find it deplorable that Brian is using his position on the list
to threaten to unsubscribe those who do not agree with his views
and consign them to the Nyayo House dungeons. Brian you have been
partisan on these issues throughout. You are issuing "apologies"
to people you already sided with and they are quickly
"accepting". At one time you were saying we visit KIF to see how
they run meetings as though suggesting Kenyans do not know how to
run meetings. Is this the Brian I knew or someone using your mail
account? Tafadhali, wacha wananchi wasema hata kama uko pande ile
ingine.
Waudo
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:52:02 +0300, "kevit desai" <kevit at centurionsystems
ltd.com> said:
Dear Brian,
Apologies accepted. And thank you Mr Chairman.
Wambui it is acceptable to challenge governance structures and
also wish to know more about associations. How else will we seek
your support with some off the very exciting things we are doing.
What deeply concerns me is the notion that associations should be
run by Kenyans. We all have to rise well above this, especially
when we see the success and contributions of some people.
Kenya’s grateful to have people like Mike Eldon, Steve Smith,
Michael Joseph, Marcel Werner, and others, they have contributed
so much. Even to the peace process let alone the advances in
ICT’s.
Kictanet must stamp out any form of racist remarks. This is the
lowest of the lowest, and contributes to disengagement. Rules
have to be put in place.
Your leadership is a sigh of relief. And I look forward to you
uniting us all to a common vision of ICT’s for National
development.
I am waiting
.
Kevit Desai
_________________________________________________________________
From:
kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com at lists.kictanet.or.
ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com at lists.kict
anet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe
Sent: 12 July 2008 09:50
To: kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com
Cc: kictanet-lists
Subject: [kictanet] Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and
Regulation fore-Commerce in Kenya
Dear Marcel/Kevit/KIF,
I will personally take this opportunity to apologize on behalf of
KICTANET for the ills which KIF has suffered in the recent
dialogue.
As Kevit (and you) have clearly pointed out, KiF has welcomed
anyone with questions to have these answered in person while at
the same time providing as many answers as this media allows.
I know both yourself and Kevit to be men of integrity and
seriously dedicated to the advancement of IcTs in Kenya. I now
humbly beg you to forgive the indiscretions by some of our
members in their misuse of this forum.
As Chairperson of this Network I will not stand by and see this
forum turned into the kind of low and despicable rant-fests that
have characterised certain other Kenyan lists and blogs.
I hereby request a public apology to KIF on this list, from Alex,
by Tuesday, failing which I will suspend his (and any other
member who persists in mudslinging) list membership for one
month.
I once again humbly appeal to all members of this list to desist
from the kind of myopic, vindictive banter that we have recently
witnessed. We must work *together* for a better Kenya, and this
will not come through tomfoolery and irresponsible words/actions.
Sincerely
Brian Munyao Longwe
Chairman, KICTANET
Sent from my iPhone
On 11 Jul 2008, at 10:44 PM, "Marcel Werner"
<[1]marcelcwerner at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Kictanet membership,
The Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) is a reputable organization, duly
registered and maintaining a proper governance system with a
registered, paid-up membership base consisting of equally
reputable ICT associations and companies.
KIF has done a number of useful things over the period of its
existence (see Kevit's posting, earlier this week).
Recent postings on the Kictanet list appear to discredit our own
organization KIF and its members with insinuations and slander.
This is unacceptable.
The Kictanet web-site shows KIF as a member of Kictanet (nr 8).
We do not wish to be associated with an organization that lends
itself to unhelpful campaigns by individuals, campaigns that can
go on with impunity. There is no need at all to damage our and
other's initiatives that are being implemented in the public
interest (see again Kevit's posting) by informal networks with
doubtful legitimacy. Please note that KIF has never signed any
membership instrument with Kictanet, neither have we been charged
nor have we paid for any membership fees. (page 9 of the Kenya
ICT Action Network Competence Status Survey Assessment Report
(posted on [2]http://www.kictanet.or.ke/) highlights the
membership problems of Kictanet. Personally I had highlighted
this membership problem already a year ago in the interview that
Kictanet held with us some time mid 2007 in the evaluation study
of its role and performance – I have to conclude today that
membership management has never been addressed at Kictanet). We
instruct Kictanet to remove KIF from its list of its appointed
"Members".
We look forward to be part of a Kictanet that has a legitimate
constituency because there is need for a place of dialogue
between civil society and private sector. Kictanet is not playing
such a role today at all and creates a space for civil society to
alienate itself from the private sector. Kictanet needs to clean
up its house.
We need serious dialogue, between all sectors in society, and we
need to reach out internationally. We don't have time for any
nonsense.
Best regards, Marcel Werner, chairman of KIF :)
2008/7/11 kevit desai <[3]kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>:
Alex,
Kenya ICT Federation is a serious and well established
organization,
supported by its members who are also reputable and well
established
organizations.
I confirm Centurion systems does not receive any money from KIF.
Please
verify the Business advocacy funds contributions and conditions
since your
information is false.
It is not right to publish insinuations affecting KIF and its
membership on
a forum like Kictanet. Especially, since I have extended an
invitation to
meet so that I can give further explanations. I am waiting to
gauge the
interest in this invitation.
For now I close my participation.
Kevit Desai
-----Original Message-----
From: Gakuru , Alex [mailto:[4]alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com]
Sent: 11 July 2008 17:24
To: kevit desai
Cc: kictanet-lists
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce
in Kenya
Kevit;
KIF recently received Kshs 3.5 grant million from a certain
business fund.
I am curious centurion system hosts them under their CSR?
Public forum to explain all dealings openly and transparently?.
regards,
On 7/11/08, kevit desai <[5]kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Dear Sylvester,
>
>
>
> Thank you for all the interest shown. Some of you would like
further
> information on the following activities:
>
>
>
> Historical & present- Impact
>
>
>
> - Ministerial stakeholder forum (regular sectoral
discussions
> private sector - Government, with KEPSA)
>
> - Power up with ICT nation - wide awareness campaigns
(2004,
2005,
> 2006)
>
> - E-Government - municipal councils
>
> - Open source software community
>
> - E-commerce legislation
>
> - Engineering student exhibition - 1997 - 2008
>
> - ICT Bills (2006 - 2008)
>
> - Creation of INFOCOM Ministry (2003)
>
> - National ICT Policy formulation (2004 - 2006)
>
> - Tax reforms 2006, 2007, 2008
>
> - National innovation system
>
> - University Education Reforms Task Force (2006 -
current)
>
> - PSDS
>
> - Africon 2009
>
> - Public panels with Kenya ICT Board
>
>
>
> Associations:
>
>
>
> - KEPSA
>
> - KIF
>
> - IEEE
>
> - Kenya software industry association
>
>
> Please confirm your interest in a meeting. This will allow me
to gauge
level
> of participation so as to plan the venue and also mobilize the
relevant
> leaders. If you are not on board, it would be great to have you
on board.
We
> need your support
>
>
>
> Kevit Desai
>
>
>
> Director of Engineering - Centurion Systems
>
> Chairperson IEEE - Kenya Section
>
> Chairman - Engineering students exhibition
>
> Governor - KEPSA
>
> Director - KEPSA
>
> Director - Innovation Africa
>
> Director- Kenya ICT Board
>
> Vice Chairman - Kenya ICT Federation
>
> BOA - AIESEC
>
> Member - National Strategy for University Education
>
> Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable Business(GSB)-UNDP Kenya
>
> General Co-Chair - Africon 2009
>
> 2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse,
Raphta Rd
, Westlands -Nairobi
>
> P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb.
>
> Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104 CDMA: 020 2049750
>
> Mobile: +254 722 517067
>
> [6]http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com
>
> [7]http://www.ieee.org
>
> [8]http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke
>
> [9]http://www.innovation-africa.net
>
> [10]http://www.kepsa.or.ke
>
> [11]http://www.powerup.co.ke
>
> [12]http://www.aiesec.org
>
> [13]http://www.africon2007.co.za
>
> [14]http://www.kif.or.ke
>
> [15]www.ict.go.ke
>
> [16]http://www.globalcompact.org
>
> [17]http://www.undp.org/business/gsb
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From:
>
kictanet-bounces+kevit=[18]centurionsystemsltd.com@[19]lists.kict
anet.or.ke
>
[mailto:[20]kictanet-bounces+kevit=[21]centurionsystemsltd.com@[2
2]lists.kictanet.or.ke]
> On Behalf Of Brian Longwe
> Sent: 10 July 2008 18:57
> To: [23]kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com
>
> Cc: kictanet-lists
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
e-Commerce in
Kenya
>
>
>
>
> Hi Sylvester,
>
> Thank you so very much for highlighting yet another way in
which KICTANET
> is beneficial to the communicat at large. through KICTANET we
all learn so
> many good things that are happening in/around - and can then
make our own
> decisions as to whether to follow up/engage.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Sylvester Kisonzo
> <[24]skisonzo at securenet.co.ke> wrote:
>
>
>
> And where can I read (or get information) about all these new
names to me?
> KEPSA, KIF, etc? Until recently when I joined this group, I
had never
heard
> of them. So I wonder how all the 'stakeholders' have all along
been
> involved.
>
>
>
> SK
>
>
>
>
> From:
>
kictanet-bounces+skisonzo=[25]gmail.com@[26]lists.kictanet.or.ke
>
[mailto:[27]kictanet-bounces+skisonzo=[28]gmail.com@[29]lists.kic
tanet.or.ke]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Manthi
> Sent: 09 July 2008 20:47
> To: [30]skisonzo at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> Cc: kictanet-lists
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
e-Commerce in
Kenya
>
>
>
>
>
> Waudo:
> I would like to pose a simple question:
>
> Why are these associations needed?
>
> Joe
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 1:22 PM, waudo siganga
<[31]emailsignet at mailcan.com>
> wrote:
>
> Brian - DFID set up KEPSA in 2001 to unite the private sector
voice. The
> idea was to bring together EXISTING associations. Someone got
early wind
> that ICT was one of the identified sectors and decided to
register a NEW
> association ostensibly as an umbrella body. The real umbrella
body was
> actually supposed to be KEPSA, under its ICT Board. Period.
Why did
> someone find a pressing need to form a NEW association???
>
> Anyway right now that is history and KEPSA ICT Board is on the
right
> track with all associations on board. We have to struggle to
make sure
> it stays that way. I do not understand why you seem to be
insisting on
> someone visiting KIF. What is the value addition? What can one
discover
> there??? Some say there are personal companies underneath and
KIF is the
> front but I do not wish to walk in that mud. My interest is
KEPSA ICT
> Board not being equated with KIF.
> Waudo
>
>
>
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:31:54 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe"
> <[32]blongwe at gmail.com> said:
> > Actually if my memory serves me right. KIF is KEPSAs "child"
i.e when
> > KEPSA decided to have sector clusters KIF was established
*by* KEpsa
> > to act as the umbrella for ICT private sector.
> >
> > But I stand to be corrected if I'm getting my facts wrong.
But if I am
> > right then it *is* important for any critics to understand
the inner
> > workings by visiting.
> >
> > I am urging action instead of just talk.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 09 Jul 2008, at 6:39 PM, "waudo siganga"
<[33]emailsignet at mailcan.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Brian - I do not think that the issue is an interest in
the
> > > internal
> > > operations of KIF. We are talking governance in the
context of KEPSA/
> > > KIF
> > > relationship, something also of interest to the consumer
community.
> > > For
> > > your information last year all stakeholders held a meeting
in KEPSA
> > > and
> > > decided to open membership to all interested Private
Sector
> > > associations. This was after it was observed that the
hitherto
> > > stranglehold on KEPSA by KIF meant that the sector was not
adequately
> > > represented. Some people may have felt unhappy or even
insecure with
> > > this development. The problem is that my friend Kevit,
being the
KEPSA
> > > ICT director uses his position to constantly market KIF as
if it is a
> > > favoured player in KEPSA (e.g. "I would like to confirm
that the
> > > KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant." - as if implying the
other
> > > associations are dead) He is often busy promoting "KIF
Positions"
> > > instead of "KEPSA Positions" including using KIF
letterheads at the
> > > MSFs. I have misgivings about the current ICT leadership
in KEPSA
> > > but I
> > > am hopeful things will change.
> > >
> > > Waudo
> > >
> > > On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:54:41 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe"
> > > <[34]blongwe at gmail.com> said:
> > >> Hi Alex,
> > >>
> > >> I would find it hard to imagine how much more Kevit can
explain to
> > >> you
> > >> about KIF.
> > >>
> > >> I would like to suggest that Kevit extend an invitation
to you (and
> > >> anyone else who might be interested/concerned) to attend
the next
KIF
> > >> meeting as an observer and see/feel the animal yourself.
> > >>
> > >> Brian
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> On 09 Jul 2008, at 3:45 PM, Alex Gakuru
<[35]alex.gakuru at yahoo.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Kevit:
> > >>>
> > >>> I am afraid you have not clarified well enough. I shall
not ask you
> > >>> further KEPSA questions although on your previous email
you told
> > >>> Waundo "As the director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and any
other
> > >>> association to full membership of KEPSA." Apparently
this now
> > >>> appears to have changed. And I doubt Waundo complained
of
> > >>> "exclusion" not of his private self, rather of CSK? I
could be
wrong
> > >>> but he could clarify.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Jun 23, 2008 it was announced that a "Local Software
Industry
> > >>> Association established" with, among others, "3.1
Objective, Market
> > >>> the local software industry to venture capitalists."
(see
> > >>> announcement document attached) Was it registered under
Societies
> > >>> Act
> > >>> ( Read Public interest) or as Private
(non-or-for-profit) Company?
I
> > >>> found it strange it was formed 3 days to aour very
successful and
> > >>> OPEN BarCamp. Is this one also under your umbrella?
> > >>>
> > >>> On the links you sent onlist:
> > >>>
> > >>> [36]www.innovation-africa.net
> > >>>
> > >>> Domain Name: [37]INNOVATION-AFRICA.NET
> > >>> Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
> > >>> Whois Server: [38]whois.tucows.com
> > >>> Referral URL: [39]http://domainhelp.opensrs.net
> > >>> Name Server: [40]ULTRA103.UK2.NET
> > >>> Name Server: [41]ULTRA104.UK2.NET
> > >>> Status: redemptionPeriod
> > >>> Updated Date: 24-jun-2008
> > >>> Creation Date: 14-may-2007
> > >>> Expiration Date: 14-may-2008
> > >>>
> > >>> I tried [42]www.innovation-africa.co.ke >> was
re-directing to >>
> [43]www.kif.or.ke
> > >>> ( but today it now says "under construction") I gather
Centurion
> > >>> Systems offices accommodates KIF, is that correct?
> > >>>
> > >>> What I am trying is to understand is who speaks in the
background
> > >>> when when "KIF" issues "stakeholders" statements on an
issue,how
> > >>> representative or public service-oriented, good
governance, in
> > >>> trying to understand new and old associations' motives.
> > >>>
> > >>> With above information, it would clear doubts of public
policy
> > >>> participation illegitimacy or inappropriate public
procurement
> > >>> involvement(s). For the sake of our growing transparent
ICTs
> > >>> abundantly rewarding enterprising citizens.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Alex
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --- On Wed, 7/9/08, kevit desai
> <[44]kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> From: kevit desai <[45]kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
> > >>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
e-Commerce
> > >>>> in Kenya
> > >>>> To: [46]alex.gakuru at yahoo.com
> > >>>> Cc: "'kictanet-lists'"
> <[47]kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > >>>> Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 2:50 AM
> > >>>> Hi Alex,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'm pleased to clarify as much as I can.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Kepsa has an open membership of PRIVATE sector industry
and
> > >>>> market segment
> > >>>> associations in almost all economic sectors.
Independence:
> > >>>> KEPSA decisions
> > >>>> are dependent on members wishes, and members are drawn
from
> > >>>> the private
> > >>>> sector. In fact, NGO's are not approached for
> > >>>> membership in KEPSA, neither
> > >>>> are government bodies including parastatals. KIF
follows
> > >>>> the same approach
> > >>>> for membership and decision-making. No NGO's and
> > >>>> government agencies are
> > >>>> member ofn KIF. However, KEPSA and KIF consult on a
REGULAR
> > >>>> BASIS with all
> > >>>> those stakeholders. Having said that, KEPSA and KIF
have no
> > >>>> obligation to
> > >>>> offer service to non members.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hopefully this helps to clarify. Do get in touch with
Sam
> > >>>> Mwaura of KEPSA or
> > >>>> Marcel Werner of KIF.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Kevit
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Alex Gakuru [mailto:[48]alex.gakuru at yahoo.com]
> > >>>> Sent: 09 July 2008 04:45
> > >>>> To: kevit desai
> > >>>> Cc: kictanet-lists
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
> > >>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Kevit,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> How does KEPSA and KIF governance relate ensuring
decisions
> > >>>> independence?
> > >>>> The political issue here may be monopolization to the
> > >>>> extent of clouding out
> > >>>> other actors thereby generating conflict. The Motive
Theory
> > >>>> steps in.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> We investigate the effects of competition on subjects'
> > >>>> attitude towards
> > >>>> cooperation. Three groups face three economic
environments
> > >>>> with different
> > >>>> degrees of competition, from a benchmark case with no
> > >>>> competition at all up
> > >>>> to a perfect competition case. Subjects contribute
> > >>>> generously to a public
> > >>>> project in the absence of competition, whereas they
> > >>>> contribute very little
> > >>>> in the presence of a maximum degree of competition. A
> > >>>> diminishing attitude
> > >>>> towards cooperation clearly emerges as the degree of
> > >>>> competition increases.
> > >>>> Therefore, if cooperation does enhance well-being, the
> > >>>> maximum degree of
> > >>>> competition may be not efficient.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
>
<[49]http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1
/2/fb32f4c6e9ba
> > >>>> 6a6f51d7da9d40d806eb>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> react.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --- On Tue, 7/8/08, kevit desai
> > >>>> <[50]kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> From: kevit desai
> > >>>> <[51]kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
> > >>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
> > >>>>> To: [52]alex.gakuru at yahoo.com
> > >>>>> Cc: [53]secretariat at kif.or.ke, "'KICTAnet ICT
> > >>>> Policy Discussions'"
> > >>>> <[54]kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > >>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 1:14 PM
> > >>>>> Hi Waudo,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> As the director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and any other
> > >>>>> association to full
> > >>>>> membership of KEPSA. We look forward to a meaningful
> > >>>>> partnership.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Kevit Desai
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> _____
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> From: waudo siganga
> [mailto:[55]emailsignet at mailcan.com]
> > >>>>> Sent: 08 July 2008 13:55
> > >>>>> To: Kevit Desai
> > >>>>> Cc: [56]secretariat at kif.or.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy
> > >>>>> Discussions'
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
> > >>>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hello Kevit - I think one needs to be careful when
> > >>>> handling
> > >>>>> KEPSA and KIF at
> > >>>>> the same time. Do not use your foothold in KEPSA to
> > >>>> promote
> > >>>>> KIF at the
> > >>>>> expense of other associations. The explanation is very
> > >>>>> simple: KEPSA was
> > >>>>> formed as a focal point, a bringing together
> > >>>> characterised
> > >>>>> by INCLUSIVITY.
> > >>>>> KIF on the other hand is an independent association
> > >>>> and the
> > >>>>> nature of such
> > >>>>> an association is EXCLUSIVITY (through membership
> > >>>>> mechanism). I would like
> > >>>>> to see the promotion of more associations on the KEPSA
> > >>>> ICT
> > >>>>> Board, not just
> > >>>>> KIF. Please give us space.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Waudo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:07 +0300, "Kevit
> > >>>> Desai"
> > >>>>> <[57]kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> said:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Alex,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> KEPSA ([58]info at kepsa.or.ke): private sector policy
body
> > >>>> with
> > >>>>> its own governance
> > >>>>> structure. Elected as a director in private capacity
> > >>>> and as
> > >>>>> KIF vice
> > >>>>> chairman.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> KIF ([59]secretariat at kif.or.ke): membership-based
industry
> > >>>>> association, member
> > >>>>> of KEPSA's ICT section. Elected as vice-chairman.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Centurion Systems Ltd:
([60]www.centurionsystemsltd.com)
> > >>>>> private company,
> > >>>>> director, member of KIF.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Director of Engineering - Centurion Systems Ltd
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Chairperson IEEE - Kenya Section
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Chairperson - Engineering Students Exhibition
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Governor - KEPSA
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Director - KEPSA
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Director - Innovation Africa
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Director- Kenya ICT Board
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Vice Chairman - Kenya ICT Federation
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> BOA - AIESEC
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Member - National Strategy for University Education
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable Business(GSB)-UNDP
> > >>>> Kenya
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> General Co-Chair - Africon 2009
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
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> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> , Westlands -Nairobi
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104 CDMA: 020
> > >>>>> 2049750
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Mobile: +254 722 517067
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [61]http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [62]http://www.ieee.org
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [63]http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [64]http://www.innovation-africa.net
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [65]http://www.kepsa.or.ke
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [66]http://www.powerup.co.ke
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [67]http://www.aiesec.org
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [68]http://www.africon2007.co.za
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [69]http://www.kif.or.ke
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> htpp://[70]www.ict.go.ke
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [71]http://www.globalcompact.org
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [72]http://www.undp.org/business/gsb
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: waudo siganga
> [mailto:[73]emailsignet at mailcan.com]
> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:40 PM
> > >>>>> To: kevit desai
> > >>>>> Cc: [74]secretariat at kif.or.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy
> > >>>>> Discussions'
> > >>>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
> > >>>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hello Kevit - Since you sent this message to KICTANET
> > >>>> I can
> > >>>>> answer it on
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> the same forum. I think the picture being painted
> > >>>> about a
> > >>>>> rosy situation
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> including "collaboration" is simply not
> > >>>> true. The
> > >>>>> reason to be frank is
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> that there a few in your KIF who do not want any other
> > >>>>> association to
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> have a voice in KEPSA or to interact with Government.
> > >>>> Could
> > >>>>> you as a
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> KEPSA director ensure that all interested associations
> > >>>>> including the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> major ones not in KIF are allowed room to contribute
> > >>>> in
> > >>>>> KEPSA? It can be
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> sad if you mis-use your position in KEPSA only to
> > >>>> promote
> > >>>>> KIF and crack
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> down on those you feel are in the way.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Waudo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:02:31 +0300, "kevit
> > >>>> desai"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> <[75]kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> said:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Walu,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Associations are welcome to be members of KEPSA.
> > >>>> I
> > >>>>> would like to confirm
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> that the KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant. We
> > >>>> would
> > >>>>> like to do a lot
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> more
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> and welcome more support.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> We appreciate Waudo's contributions at our
> > >>>> last
> > >>>>> ministerial stakeholder
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> forum.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Collaboration is the way forward.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Kevit Desai
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> KEPSA Director
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> From:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
>
kictanet-bounces+kevit=[76]centurionsystemsltd.com@[77]lists.kict
anet.or.ke
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
>
[mailto:[78]kictanet-bounces+kevit=[79]centurionsystemsltd.com@[8
0]lists.kictanet.or.ke
> > >>>> ]
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Behalf Of waudo siganga
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sent: 07 July 2008 19:02
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> To: [81]kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Cc: [82]secretariat at kif.or.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy
> > >>>>> Discussions
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and
> > >>>> Regulation for
> > >>>>> e-Commerce in
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Kenya
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Walu - I am catching you loud and clear on
> > >>>> GPRS
> > >>>>> somewhere in the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> bush. I did bring out the issue of regulating the
> > >>>> IT
> > >>>>> (or ICT) Profession
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> on this list a few months ago. But the rather
> > >>>>> unenthusiastic response I
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> got gave me the sense that possibly this was not
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>> correct list since
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> many of the subscribers appear just interested in
> > >>>> ICT
> > >>>>> Policy rather than
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> being actual IT Experts. Within the next two
> > >>>> weeks
> > >>>>> there will be another
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> list for professionals and you will be informed
> > >>>> (you
> > >>>>> have the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> qualifications, don't you??). We are pushing
> > >>>> for a
> > >>>>> registration board
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> like thise done last yeaer for nutritionists and
> > >>>>> Procurement
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Practitioners. There is a lot of work going on
> > >>>>> unheralded. All we need
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> is a champion or chanpions in the right place.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Waudo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 02:45:53 -0700 (PDT),
> > >>>> "John
> > >>>>> Walubengo"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> <[83]jwalu at yahoo.com> said:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Marcel,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> It looks like quite some work has been
> > >>>> ongoing in
> > >>>>> this
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> area...unfortunately it seems as if it was
> > >>>>> restricted within KIF only?
> > >>>>> I
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> wonder if Computer Society of Kenya (CSK,
> > >>>> Waudo r
> > >>>>> u there?) or
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Information Security Audit & Control
> > >>>>> (ISACA-Kenya Chapter) just to
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> mention some of the big IT Associations in
> > >>>> Kenya
> > >>>>> were involved. I beg to
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> be enlightened.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> This brings in an old question - who really
> > >>>>> represents the IT Profession
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> in Kenya? Shem has been on record as saying
> > >>>> that
> > >>>>> IT is the only
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> discipline where we seem to lack bodies with
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>> same authority as LSK
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> (Law Society of Kenya), IEK (Institute of
> > >>>>> Engineers of Kenya), Medical
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Practictioners Board amongst others to
> > >>>> regulate
> > >>>>> the IT Profession.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> And by the way, KICTAnet does not fit the
> > >>>> bill
> > >>>>> either (and has a
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> different objective anyway). But time has
> > >>>> come
> > >>>>> to really start thinking
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> of regulating the IT profession, even as we
> > >>>>> struggle to regulate the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> industry...Ideally, CSK should take the lead
> > >>>> on
> > >>>>> this, but they have been
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> awfully quite except when they award prizes
> > >>>> at
> > >>>>> the end of the year
> > >>>>> (Waudo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I know u will kill me offline but I just had
> > >>>> to
> > >>>>> say it!).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> KEPSA? very reputable and effective
> > >>>> particularly
> > >>>>> in the Manufacturing
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> sector but on IT? am not sure they have been
> > >>>> as
> > >>>>> effective - particularly
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> because the link between KEPSA/KIF and the
> > >>>> IT
> > >>>>> industry has been 'cloudy'
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> for lack of a better word...Can for example
> > >>>> CSK
> > >>>>> or ISACA be part of
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> KEPSA without being part of KIF? I again
> > >>>> need to
> > >>>>> be enlightened.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> O.K. I agree I did digress, but just
> > >>>> thinking
> > >>>>> loudly and saying that as
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> we think of regulating electronic
> > >>>> transactions,
> > >>>>> we also need to
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> simultaneously start regulating the IT
> > >>>>> profession..but maybe I am wrong.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Particularly because regulation can and
> > >>>> often
> > >>>>> leads to suppression...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> walu.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Marcel Werner
> > >>>>> <[84]marcelcwerner at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> From: Marcel Werner
> > >>>>> <[85]marcelcwerner at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] Legislation and
> > >>>>> Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> To: [86]jwalu at yahoo.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Cc: [87]secretariat at kif.or.ke,
> > >>>> "KICTAnet
> > >>>>> ICT Policy Discussions"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> <[88]kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 6:43 PM
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Legislation and Regulation for
> > >>>> e-Commerce in
> > >>>>> Kenya
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) - Briefing
> > >>>> Note #
> > >>>>> 3 - Report -
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Public Panel 19
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> June 2008
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *Electronic commerce (e-commerce) will
> > >>>> add
> > >>>>> at least one
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> percent point growth
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> to Kenya's overall economic growth
> > >>>>> within five years.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> This is contingent
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> upon the adoption of legislation that
> > >>>>> supports electronic
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> transactions. *Kenya,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> as an emerging economy and regional
> > >>>> leader,
> > >>>>> lags behind in
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> having a legal
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> framework for e-commerce in place. The
> > >>>>> current situation is
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> an anachronism
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> hampering national development, placing
> > >>>>> provincial centres
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> at a
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> disadvantage, and harming global
> > >>>>> competitiveness. Both
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> external and internal
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> trade require the new framework.The
> > >>>> Kenyan
> > >>>>> private sector
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> strongly supports
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> e-commerce legislation, as well as
> > >>>>> legislation of the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Information and
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Communication Technology sector that
> > >>>>> guarantees an open
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> market and promotes
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> innovation.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Why e-commerce law? Today, legislation
> > >>>>> supporting
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> electronic transactions
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> represents the single most powerful
> > >>>>> innovation opportunity
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> in the legal
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> framework of the ICT sector.
> > >>>> Legislation is
> > >>>>> needed to:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> -Legalize e-commerce transactions by
> > >>>>> recognizing an
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> electronic signature
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> -Manage and control e-commerce r
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