[kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
kevit desai
kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com
Sat Jul 12 06:44:06 EAT 2008
Joseph,
KIF through its activities has been part of the solution towards:
Poverty eradication
Developing prospects for youth
Developing Rural areas
Creating equitable platforms for Women in ICT's
Creating enabling environments for small holders. SME etc
Our Chairman is a good man, and you do not have to be concerned about him.
If you know the people involved in Goldenberg, as a Kenyan you should be
doing something about it. Do we need to compare good organizations like KIF
to terrible scandals like Goldenberg?
Very concerned Kenyan.
Kevit Desai
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From: kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
On Behalf Of Joseph Manthi
Sent: 12 July 2008 01:13
To: kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
Marcel:
We expect better than you calling legitimate discussion "nonsense".
Obviously there is someting rotten in "Bombay" (and I am misquoting) as the
saying goes. Right now every Kenyan should really be concerned about these
so called represnetatives of the private sector who are scared of real
questions. We should be very afraid of another Goldenberg scandal and we
know the people who were involved in that.
Open up gentlemen.
Joe
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:52 PM, wambui jane <wambui at live.co.uk> wrote:
Dear Marcel
It is not KICTANET that is being called to respond to their governance
structures and certain issues of transparency ...it is KIF. You claim to be
the voice if ICT private sector and many have never heard of you. You have
been requested by interested Kenyan's not KICTAnet to respond to issues that
touch on membership and conflict of interest instead you get defensive. Very
Kenyan politician kind of reaction...but then again you are not Kenyan and
that is another issue altogether is it not.
regards
wambui
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:44:45 +0300
From: marcelcwerner at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
CC: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
To: wambui at live.co.uk
Hello Kictanet membership,
The Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) is a reputable organization, duly registered
and maintaining a proper governance system with a registered, paid-up
membership base consisting of equally reputable ICT associations and
companies.
KIF has done a number of useful things over the period of its existence (see
Kevit's posting, earlier this week).
Recent postings on the Kictanet list appear to discredit our own
organization KIF and its members with insinuations and slander. This is
unacceptable.
The Kictanet web-site shows KIF as a member of Kictanet (nr 8). We do not
wish to be associated with an organization that lends itself to unhelpful
campaigns by individuals, campaigns that can go on with impunity. There is
no need at all to damage our and other's initiatives that are being
implemented in the public interest (see again Kevit's posting) by informal
networks with doubtful legitimacy. Please note that KIF has never signed any
membership instrument with Kictanet, neither have we been charged nor have
we paid for any membership fees. (page 9 of the Kenya ICT Action Network
Competence Status Survey Assessment Report (posted on
http://www.kictanet.or.ke/) highlights the membership problems of Kictanet.
Personally I had highlighted this membership problem already a year ago in
the interview that Kictanet held with us some time mid 2007 in the
evaluation study of its role and performance - I have to conclude today that
membership management has never been addressed at Kictanet). We instruct
Kictanet to remove KIF from its list of its appointed "Members".
We look forward to be part of a Kictanet that has a legitimate constituency
because there is need for a place of dialogue between civil society and
private sector. Kictanet is not playing such a role today at all and creates
a space for civil society to alienate itself from the private sector.
Kictanet needs to clean up its house.
We need serious dialogue, between all sectors in society, and we need to
reach out internationally. We don't have time for any nonsense.
Best regards, Marcel Werner, chairman of KIF :)
2008/7/11 kevit desai <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>:
Alex,
Kenya ICT Federation is a serious and well established organization,
supported by its members who are also reputable and well established
organizations.
I confirm Centurion systems does not receive any money from KIF. Please
verify the Business advocacy funds contributions and conditions since your
information is false.
It is not right to publish insinuations affecting KIF and its membership on
a forum like Kictanet. Especially, since I have extended an invitation to
meet so that I can give further explanations. I am waiting to gauge the
interest in this invitation.
For now I close my participation.
Kevit Desai
-----Original Message-----
From: Gakuru , Alex [mailto:alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com]
Sent: 11 July 2008 17:24
To: kevit desai
Cc: kictanet-lists
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
Kevit;
KIF recently received Kshs 3.5 grant million from a certain business fund.
I am curious centurion system hosts them under their CSR?
Public forum to explain all dealings openly and transparently?.
regards,
On 7/11/08, kevit desai <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Dear Sylvester,
>
>
>
> Thank you for all the interest shown. Some of you would like further
> information on the following activities:
>
>
>
> Historical & present- Impact
>
>
>
> - Ministerial stakeholder forum (regular sectoral discussions
> private sector - Government, with KEPSA)
>
> - Power up with ICT nation - wide awareness campaigns (2004,
2005,
> 2006)
>
> - E-Government - municipal councils
>
> - Open source software community
>
> - E-commerce legislation
>
> - Engineering student exhibition - 1997 - 2008
>
> - ICT Bills (2006 - 2008)
>
> - Creation of INFOCOM Ministry (2003)
>
> - National ICT Policy formulation (2004 - 2006)
>
> - Tax reforms 2006, 2007, 2008
>
> - National innovation system
>
> - University Education Reforms Task Force (2006 - current)
>
> - PSDS
>
> - Africon 2009
>
> - Public panels with Kenya ICT Board
>
>
>
> Associations:
>
>
>
> - KEPSA
>
> - KIF
>
> - IEEE
>
> - Kenya software industry association
>
>
> Please confirm your interest in a meeting. This will allow me to gauge
level
> of participation so as to plan the venue and also mobilize the relevant
> leaders. If you are not on board, it would be great to have you on board.
We
> need your support
>
>
>
> Kevit Desai
>
>
>
> Director of Engineering - Centurion Systems
>
> Chairperson IEEE - Kenya Section
>
> Chairman - Engineering students exhibition
>
> Governor - KEPSA
>
> Director - KEPSA
>
> Director - Innovation Africa
>
> Director- Kenya ICT Board
>
> Vice Chairman - Kenya ICT Federation
>
> BOA - AIESEC
>
> Member - National Strategy for University Education
>
> Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable Business(GSB)-UNDP Kenya
>
> General Co-Chair - Africon 2009
>
> 2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse, Raphta Rd, Westlands -Nairobi
>
> P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb.
>
> Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104 CDMA: 020 2049750
>
> Mobile: +254 722 517067
>
> http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com <http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/>
>
> http://www.ieee.org <http://www.ieee.org/>
>
> http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke
<http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/>
>
> http://www.innovation-africa.net <http://www.innovation-africa.net/>
>
> http://www.kepsa.or.ke <http://www.kepsa.or.ke/>
>
> http://www.powerup.co.ke <http://www.powerup.co.ke/>
>
> http://www.aiesec.org <http://www.aiesec.org/>
>
> http://www.africon2007.co.za <http://www.africon2007.co.za/>
>
> http://www.kif.or.ke <http://www.kif.or.ke/>
>
> www.ict.go.ke <http://www.ict.go.ke/>
>
> http://www.globalcompact.org <http://www.globalcompact.org/>
>
> http://www.undp.org/business/gsb
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From:
> kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com
<http://centurionsystemsltd.com/> @lists.kictanet.or.ke
<http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/>
>
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=centurionsystemsltd.com <http://centurionsystemsltd.com/>
@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/> ]
> On Behalf Of Brian Longwe
> Sent: 10 July 2008 18:57
> To: kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com
>
> Cc: kictanet-lists
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in
Kenya
>
>
>
>
> Hi Sylvester,
>
> Thank you so very much for highlighting yet another way in which KICTANET
> is beneficial to the communicat at large. through KICTANET we all learn so
> many good things that are happening in/around - and can then make our own
> decisions as to whether to follow up/engage.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Sylvester Kisonzo
> <skisonzo at securenet.co.ke> wrote:
>
>
>
> And where can I read (or get information) about all these new names to me?
> KEPSA, KIF, etc? Until recently when I joined this group, I had never
heard
> of them. So I wonder how all the 'stakeholders' have all along been
> involved.
>
>
>
> SK
>
>
>
>
> From:
> kictanet-bounces+skisonzo=gmail.com <http://gmail.com/>
@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/>
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+skisonzo <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bskisonzo>
=gmail.com <http://gmail.com/> @lists.kictanet.or.ke
<http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/> ]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Manthi
> Sent: 09 July 2008 20:47
> To: skisonzo at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> Cc: kictanet-lists
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in
Kenya
>
>
>
>
>
> Waudo:
> I would like to pose a simple question:
>
> Why are these associations needed?
>
> Joe
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 1:22 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com>
> wrote:
>
> Brian - DFID set up KEPSA in 2001 to unite the private sector voice. The
> idea was to bring together EXISTING associations. Someone got early wind
> that ICT was one of the identified sectors and decided to register a NEW
> association ostensibly as an umbrella body. The real umbrella body was
> actually supposed to be KEPSA, under its ICT Board. Period. Why did
> someone find a pressing need to form a NEW association???
>
> Anyway right now that is history and KEPSA ICT Board is on the right
> track with all associations on board. We have to struggle to make sure
> it stays that way. I do not understand why you seem to be insisting on
> someone visiting KIF. What is the value addition? What can one discover
> there??? Some say there are personal companies underneath and KIF is the
> front but I do not wish to walk in that mud. My interest is KEPSA ICT
> Board not being equated with KIF.
> Waudo
>
>
>
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:31:54 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe"
> <blongwe at gmail.com> said:
> > Actually if my memory serves me right. KIF is KEPSAs "child" i.e when
> > KEPSA decided to have sector clusters KIF was established *by* KEpsa
> > to act as the umbrella for ICT private sector.
> >
> > But I stand to be corrected if I'm getting my facts wrong. But if I am
> > right then it *is* important for any critics to understand the inner
> > workings by visiting.
> >
> > I am urging action instead of just talk.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 09 Jul 2008, at 6:39 PM, "waudo siganga" <emailsignet at mailcan.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Brian - I do not think that the issue is an interest in the
> > > internal
> > > operations of KIF. We are talking governance in the context of KEPSA/
> > > KIF
> > > relationship, something also of interest to the consumer community.
> > > For
> > > your information last year all stakeholders held a meeting in KEPSA
> > > and
> > > decided to open membership to all interested Private Sector
> > > associations. This was after it was observed that the hitherto
> > > stranglehold on KEPSA by KIF meant that the sector was not adequately
> > > represented. Some people may have felt unhappy or even insecure with
> > > this development. The problem is that my friend Kevit, being the
KEPSA
> > > ICT director uses his position to constantly market KIF as if it is a
> > > favoured player in KEPSA (e.g. "I would like to confirm that the
> > > KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant." - as if implying the other
> > > associations are dead) He is often busy promoting "KIF Positions"
> > > instead of "KEPSA Positions" including using KIF letterheads at the
> > > MSFs. I have misgivings about the current ICT leadership in KEPSA
> > > but I
> > > am hopeful things will change.
> > >
> > > Waudo
> > >
> > > On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:54:41 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe"
> > > <blongwe at gmail.com> said:
> > >> Hi Alex,
> > >>
> > >> I would find it hard to imagine how much more Kevit can explain to
> > >> you
> > >> about KIF.
> > >>
> > >> I would like to suggest that Kevit extend an invitation to you (and
> > >> anyone else who might be interested/concerned) to attend the next
KIF
> > >> meeting as an observer and see/feel the animal yourself.
> > >>
> > >> Brian
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> On 09 Jul 2008, at 3:45 PM, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru at yahoo.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Kevit:
> > >>>
> > >>> I am afraid you have not clarified well enough. I shall not ask you
> > >>> further KEPSA questions although on your previous email you told
> > >>> Waundo "As the director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and any other
> > >>> association to full membership of KEPSA." Apparently this now
> > >>> appears to have changed. And I doubt Waundo complained of
> > >>> "exclusion" not of his private self, rather of CSK? I could be
wrong
> > >>> but he could clarify.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Jun 23, 2008 it was announced that a "Local Software Industry
> > >>> Association established" with, among others, "3.1 Objective, Market
> > >>> the local software industry to venture capitalists." (see
> > >>> announcement document attached) Was it registered under Societies
> > >>> Act
> > >>> ( Read Public interest) or as Private (non-or-for-profit) Company?
I
> > >>> found it strange it was formed 3 days to aour very successful and
> > >>> OPEN BarCamp. Is this one also under your umbrella?
> > >>>
> > >>> On the links you sent onlist:
> > >>>
> > >>> www.innovation-africa.net <http://www.innovation-africa.net/>
> > >>>
> > >>> Domain Name: INNOVATION-AFRICA.NET <http://innovation-africa.net/>
> > >>> Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
> > >>> Whois Server: whois.tucows.com <http://whois.tucows.com/>
> > >>> Referral URL: http://domainhelp.opensrs.net
<http://domainhelp.opensrs.net/>
> > >>> Name Server: ULTRA103.UK2.NET <http://ultra103.uk2.net/>
> > >>> Name Server: ULTRA104.UK2.NET <http://ultra104.uk2.net/>
> > >>> Status: redemptionPeriod
> > >>> Updated Date: 24-jun-2008
> > >>> Creation Date: 14-may-2007
> > >>> Expiration Date: 14-may-2008
> > >>>
> > >>> I tried www.innovation-africa.co.ke
<http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke/> >> was re-directing to >>
> www.kif.or.ke <http://www.kif.or.ke/>
> > >>> ( but today it now says "under construction") I gather Centurion
> > >>> Systems offices accommodates KIF, is that correct?
> > >>>
> > >>> What I am trying is to understand is who speaks in the background
> > >>> when when "KIF" issues "stakeholders" statements on an issue,how
> > >>> representative or public service-oriented, good governance, in
> > >>> trying to understand new and old associations' motives.
> > >>>
> > >>> With above information, it would clear doubts of public policy
> > >>> participation illegitimacy or inappropriate public procurement
> > >>> involvement(s). For the sake of our growing transparent ICTs
> > >>> abundantly rewarding enterprising citizens.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Alex
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --- On Wed, 7/9/08, kevit desai
> <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> From: kevit desai <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
> > >>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce
> > >>>> in Kenya
> > >>>> To: alex.gakuru at yahoo.com
> > >>>> Cc: "'kictanet-lists'"
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > >>>> Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 2:50 AM
> > >>>> Hi Alex,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'm pleased to clarify as much as I can.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Kepsa has an open membership of PRIVATE sector industry and
> > >>>> market segment
> > >>>> associations in almost all economic sectors. Independence:
> > >>>> KEPSA decisions
> > >>>> are dependent on members wishes, and members are drawn from
> > >>>> the private
> > >>>> sector. In fact, NGO's are not approached for
> > >>>> membership in KEPSA, neither
> > >>>> are government bodies including parastatals. KIF follows
> > >>>> the same approach
> > >>>> for membership and decision-making. No NGO's and
> > >>>> government agencies are
> > >>>> member ofn KIF. However, KEPSA and KIF consult on a REGULAR
> > >>>> BASIS with all
> > >>>> those stakeholders. Having said that, KEPSA and KIF have no
> > >>>> obligation to
> > >>>> offer service to non members.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hopefully this helps to clarify. Do get in touch with Sam
> > >>>> Mwaura of KEPSA or
> > >>>> Marcel Werner of KIF.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Kevit
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Alex Gakuru [mailto:alex.gakuru at yahoo.com]
> > >>>> Sent: 09 July 2008 04:45
> > >>>> To: kevit desai
> > >>>> Cc: kictanet-lists
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
> > >>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Kevit,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> How does KEPSA and KIF governance relate ensuring decisions
> > >>>> independence?
> > >>>> The political issue here may be monopolization to the
> > >>>> extent of clouding out
> > >>>> other actors thereby generating conflict. The Motive Theory
> > >>>> steps in.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> We investigate the effects of competition on subjects'
> > >>>> attitude towards
> > >>>> cooperation. Three groups face three economic environments
> > >>>> with different
> > >>>> degrees of competition, from a benchmark case with no
> > >>>> competition at all up
> > >>>> to a perfect competition case. Subjects contribute
> > >>>> generously to a public
> > >>>> project in the absence of competition, whereas they
> > >>>> contribute very little
> > >>>> in the presence of a maximum degree of competition. A
> > >>>> diminishing attitude
> > >>>> towards cooperation clearly emerges as the degree of
> > >>>> competition increases.
> > >>>> Therefore, if cooperation does enhance well-being, the
> > >>>> maximum degree of
> > >>>> competition may be not efficient.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
>
<http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba
> > >>>> 6a6f51d7da9d40d806eb>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> react.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --- On Tue, 7/8/08, kevit desai
> > >>>> <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> From: kevit desai
> > >>>> <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
> > >>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
> > >>>>> To: alex.gakuru at yahoo.com
> > >>>>> Cc: secretariat at kif.or.ke, "'KICTAnet ICT
> > >>>> Policy Discussions'"
> > >>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > >>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 1:14 PM
> > >>>>> Hi Waudo,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> As the director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and any other
> > >>>>> association to full
> > >>>>> membership of KEPSA. We look forward to a meaningful
> > >>>>> partnership.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Kevit Desai
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> _____
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> From: waudo siganga
> [mailto:emailsignet at mailcan.com]
> > >>>>> Sent: 08 July 2008 13:55
> > >>>>> To: Kevit Desai
> > >>>>> Cc: secretariat at kif.or.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy
> > >>>>> Discussions'
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
> > >>>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hello Kevit - I think one needs to be careful when
> > >>>> handling
> > >>>>> KEPSA and KIF at
> > >>>>> the same time. Do not use your foothold in KEPSA to
> > >>>> promote
> > >>>>> KIF at the
> > >>>>> expense of other associations. The explanation is very
> > >>>>> simple: KEPSA was
> > >>>>> formed as a focal point, a bringing together
> > >>>> characterised
> > >>>>> by INCLUSIVITY.
> > >>>>> KIF on the other hand is an independent association
> > >>>> and the
> > >>>>> nature of such
> > >>>>> an association is EXCLUSIVITY (through membership
> > >>>>> mechanism). I would like
> > >>>>> to see the promotion of more associations on the KEPSA
> > >>>> ICT
> > >>>>> Board, not just
> > >>>>> KIF. Please give us space.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Waudo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:07 +0300, "Kevit
> > >>>> Desai"
> > >>>>> <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> said:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Alex,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> KEPSA (info at kepsa.or.ke): private sector policy body
> > >>>> with
> > >>>>> its own governance
> > >>>>> structure. Elected as a director in private capacity
> > >>>> and as
> > >>>>> KIF vice
> > >>>>> chairman.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> KIF (secretariat at kif.or.ke): membership-based industry
> > >>>>> association, member
> > >>>>> of KEPSA's ICT section. Elected as vice-chairman.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Centurion Systems Ltd: (www.centurionsystemsltd.com
<http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/> )
> > >>>>> private company,
> > >>>>> director, member of KIF.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Director of Engineering - Centurion Systems Ltd
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Chairperson IEEE - Kenya Section
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Chairperson - Engineering Students Exhibition
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Governor - KEPSA
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Director - KEPSA
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Director - Innovation Africa
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Director- Kenya ICT Board
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Vice Chairman - Kenya ICT Federation
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> BOA - AIESEC
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Member - National Strategy for University Education
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable Business(GSB)-UNDP
> > >>>> Kenya
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> General Co-Chair - Africon 2009
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Raphta Rd
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> , Westlands -Nairobi
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104 CDMA: 020
> > >>>>> 2049750
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Mobile: +254 722 517067
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com
<http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.ieee.org <http://www.ieee.org/>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke
<http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.innovation-africa.net
<http://www.innovation-africa.net/>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.kepsa.or.ke <http://www.kepsa.or.ke/>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.powerup.co.ke <http://www.powerup.co.ke/>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.aiesec.org <http://www.aiesec.org/>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.africon2007.co.za <http://www.africon2007.co.za/>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.kif.or.ke <http://www.kif.or.ke/>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> htpp://www.ict.go.ke <http://www.ict.go.ke/>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.globalcompact.org <http://www.globalcompact.org/>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.undp.org/business/gsb
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: waudo siganga
> [mailto:emailsignet at mailcan.com]
> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:40 PM
> > >>>>> To: kevit desai
> > >>>>> Cc: secretariat at kif.or.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy
> > >>>>> Discussions'
> > >>>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
> > >>>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hello Kevit - Since you sent this message to KICTANET
> > >>>> I can
> > >>>>> answer it on
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> the same forum. I think the picture being painted
> > >>>> about a
> > >>>>> rosy situation
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> including "collaboration" is simply not
> > >>>> true. The
> > >>>>> reason to be frank is
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> that there a few in your KIF who do not want any other
> > >>>>> association to
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> have a voice in KEPSA or to interact with Government.
> > >>>> Could
> > >>>>> you as a
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> KEPSA director ensure that all interested associations
> > >>>>> including the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> major ones not in KIF are allowed room to contribute
> > >>>> in
> > >>>>> KEPSA? It can be
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> sad if you mis-use your position in KEPSA only to
> > >>>> promote
> > >>>>> KIF and crack
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> down on those you feel are in the way.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Waudo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:02:31 +0300, "kevit
> > >>>> desai"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> said:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Walu,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Associations are welcome to be members of KEPSA.
> > >>>> I
> > >>>>> would like to confirm
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> that the KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant. We
> > >>>> would
> > >>>>> like to do a lot
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> more
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> and welcome more support.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> We appreciate Waudo's contributions at our
> > >>>> last
> > >>>>> ministerial stakeholder
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> forum.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Collaboration is the way forward.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Kevit Desai
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> KEPSA Director
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> From:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com
<http://centurionsystemsltd.com/> @lists.kictanet.or.ke
<http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
>
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+kevit <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bkevit>
=centurionsystemsltd.com <http://centurionsystemsltd.com/>
@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/>
> > >>>> ]
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Behalf Of waudo siganga
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sent: 07 July 2008 19:02
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> To: kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Cc: secretariat at kif.or.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy
> > >>>>> Discussions
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and
> > >>>> Regulation for
> > >>>>> e-Commerce in
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Kenya
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Walu - I am catching you loud and clear on
> > >>>> GPRS
> > >>>>> somewhere in the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> bush. I did bring out the issue of regulating the
> > >>>> IT
> > >>>>> (or ICT) Profession
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> on this list a few months ago. But the rather
> > >>>>> unenthusiastic response I
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> got gave me the sense that possibly this was not
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>> correct list since
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> many of the subscribers appear just interested in
> > >>>> ICT
> > >>>>> Policy rather than
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> being actual IT Experts. Within the next two
> > >>>> weeks
> > >>>>> there will be another
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> list for professionals and you will be informed
> > >>>> (you
> > >>>>> have the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> qualifications, don't you??). We are pushing
> > >>>> for a
> > >>>>> registration board
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> like thise done last yeaer for nutritionists and
> > >>>>> Procurement
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Practitioners. There is a lot of work going on
> > >>>>> unheralded. All we need
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> is a champion or chanpions in the right place.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Waudo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 02:45:53 -0700 (PDT),
> > >>>> "John
> > >>>>> Walubengo"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> <jwalu at yahoo.com> said:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Marcel,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> It looks like quite some work has been
> > >>>> ongoing in
> > >>>>> this
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> area...unfortunately it seems as if it was
> > >>>>> restricted within KIF only?
> > >>>>> I
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> wonder if Computer Society of Kenya (CSK,
> > >>>> Waudo r
> > >>>>> u there?) or
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Information Security Audit & Control
> > >>>>> (ISACA-Kenya Chapter) just to
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> mention some of the big IT Associations in
> > >>>> Kenya
> > >>>>> were involved. I beg to
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> be enlightened.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> This brings in an old question - who really
> > >>>>> represents the IT Profession
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> in Kenya? Shem has been on record as saying
> > >>>> that
> > >>>>> IT is the only
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> discipline where we seem to lack bodies with
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>> same authority as LSK
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> (Law Society of Kenya), IEK (Institute of
> > >>>>> Engineers of Kenya), Medical
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Practictioners Board amongst others to
> > >>>> regulate
> > >>>>> the IT Profession.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> And by the way, KICTAnet does not fit the
> > >>>> bill
> > >>>>> either (and has a
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> different objective anyway). But time has
> > >>>> come
> > >>>>> to really start thinking
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> of regulating the IT profession, even as we
> > >>>>> struggle to regulate the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> industry...Ideally, CSK should take the lead
> > >>>> on
> > >>>>> this, but they have been
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> awfully quite except when they award prizes
> > >>>> at
> > >>>>> the end of the year
> > >>>>> (Waudo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I know u will kill me offline but I just had
> > >>>> to
> > >>>>> say it!).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> KEPSA? very reputable and effective
> > >>>> particularly
> > >>>>> in the Manufacturing
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> sector but on IT? am not sure they have been
> > >>>> as
> > >>>>> effective - particularly
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> because the link between KEPSA/KIF and the
> > >>>> IT
> > >>>>> industry has been 'cloudy'
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> for lack of a better word...Can for example
> > >>>> CSK
> > >>>>> or ISACA be part of
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> KEPSA without being part of KIF? I again
> > >>>> need to
> > >>>>> be enlightened.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> O.K. I agree I did digress, but just
> > >>>> thinking
> > >>>>> loudly and saying that as
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> we think of regulating electronic
> > >>>> transactions,
> > >>>>> we also need to
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> simultaneously start regulating the IT
> > >>>>> profession..but maybe I am wrong.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Particularly because regulation can and
> > >>>> often
> > >>>>> leads to suppression...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> walu.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Marcel Werner
> > >>>>> <marcelcwerner at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> From: Marcel Werner
> > >>>>> <marcelcwerner at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] Legislation and
> > >>>>> Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Cc: secretariat at kif.or.ke,
> > >>>> "KICTAnet
> > >>>>> ICT Policy Discussions"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 6:43 PM
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Legislation and Regulation for
> > >>>> e-Commerce in
> > >>>>> Kenya
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) - Briefing
> > >>>> Note #
> > >>>>> 3 - Report -
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Public Panel 19
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> June 2008
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *Electronic commerce (e-commerce) will
> > >>>> add
> > >>>>> at least one
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> percent point growth
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> to Kenya's overall economic growth
> > >>>>> within five years.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> This is contingent
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> upon the adoption of legislation that
> > >>>>> supports electronic
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> transactions. *Kenya,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> as an emerging economy and regional
> > >>>> leader,
> > >>>>> lags behind in
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> having a legal
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> framework for e-commerce in place. The
> > >>>>> current situation is
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> an anachronism
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> hampering national development, placing
> > >>>>> provincial centres
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> at a
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> disadvantage, and harming global
> > >>>>> competitiveness. Both
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> external and internal
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> trade require the new framework.The
> > >>>> Kenyan
> > >>>>> private sector
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> strongly supports
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> e-commerce legislation, as well as
> > >>>>> legislation of the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Information and
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Communication Technology sector that
> > >>>>> guarantees an open
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> market and promotes
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> innovation.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Why e-commerce law? Today, legislation
> > >>>>> supporting
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> electronic transactions
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> represents the single most powerful
> > >>>>> innovation opportunity
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> in the legal
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> framework of the ICT sector.
> > >>>> Legislation is
> > >>>>> needed to:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> -Legalize e-commerce transactions by
> > >>>>> recognizing an
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> electronic signature
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> -Manage and control e-commerce r
> > >>> <KENYA SOFTWARE INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION.doc>
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