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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Joseph,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>KIF through its activities has been part
of the solution towards:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Poverty eradication<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Developing prospects for youth<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Developing Rural areas<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Creating equitable platforms for Women in
ICT’s<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Creating enabling environments for small
holders. SME etc<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Our Chairman is a good man, and you do not
have to be concerned about him.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If you know the people involved in
Goldenberg, as a Kenyan you should be doing something about it. Do we need to
compare good organizations like KIF to terrible scandals like Goldenberg?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Very concerned Kenyan.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoAutoSig><b><font size=1 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Kevit Desai<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Joseph Manthi<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 12 July 2008 01:13<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet]
Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Marcel:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>We expect better than you calling legitimate discussion
"nonsense".<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Obviously there is someting rotten in "<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Bombay</st1:City></st1:place>" (and I am misquoting) as the
saying goes. Right now every Kenyan should really be concerned about these so
called represnetatives of the private sector who are scared of real questions.
We should be very afraid of another Goldenberg scandal and we know the people
who were involved in that.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Open up gentlemen.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Joe<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:52 PM, wambui jane <<a
href="mailto:wambui@live.co.uk">wambui@live.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dear Marcel<br>
<br>
It is not KICTANET that is being called to respond to their governance
structures and certain issues of transparency ...it is KIF. You claim to
be the voice if ICT private sector and many have never heard of you. You have
been requested by interested Kenyan's not KICTAnet to respond to issues that
touch on membership and conflict of interest instead you get defensive. Very
Kenyan politician kind of reaction...but then again you are not Kenyan and that
is another issue altogether is it not.<br>
<br>
regards<br>
wambui<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008
22:44:45 +0300<br>
From: <a href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com" target="_blank">marcelcwerner@gmail.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
CC: <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:wambui@live.co.uk" target="_blank">wambui@live.co.uk</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hello
Kictanet membership,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The Kenya
ICT Federation (KIF) is a reputable organization, duly registered and
maintaining a proper governance system with a registered, paid-up membership
base consisting of equally reputable ICT associations and companies.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>KIF has
done a number of useful things over the period of its existence (see Kevit's
posting, earlier this week).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Recent
postings on the Kictanet list appear to discredit our own organization KIF and
its members with insinuations and slander. This is unacceptable.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The
Kictanet web-site shows KIF as a member of Kictanet (nr 8). We do not wish to
be associated with an organization that lends itself to unhelpful campaigns by
individuals, campaigns that can go on with impunity. There is no need at all to
damage our and other's initiatives that are being implemented in the public
interest (see again Kevit's posting) by informal networks with doubtful
legitimacy. Please note that KIF has never signed any membership instrument
with Kictanet, neither have we been charged nor have we paid for any membership
fees. (page 9 of the Kenya ICT Action Network Competence Status Survey
Assessment Report (posted on <a href="http://www.kictanet.or.ke/"
target="_blank">http://www.kictanet.or.ke/</a>) highlights the membership
problems of Kictanet. Personally I had highlighted this membership problem
already a year ago in the interview that Kictanet held with us some time mid
2007 in the evaluation study of its role and performance – I have to
conclude today that membership management has never been addressed at
Kictanet). We instruct Kictanet to remove KIF from its list of its appointed
"Members".<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We look
forward to be part of a Kictanet that has a legitimate constituency because
there is need for a place of dialogue between civil society and private sector.
Kictanet is not playing such a role today at all and creates a space for civil
society to alienate itself from the private sector. Kictanet needs to clean up
its house.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We need
serious dialogue, between all sectors in society, and we need to reach out
internationally. We don't have time for any nonsense.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Best
regards, <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Marcel Werner</st1:PersonName>, chairman of
KIF :)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>2008/7/11 kevit desai <<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"
target="_blank">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Alex,<br>
Kenya ICT Federation is a serious and well established organization,<br>
supported by its members who are also reputable and well established<br>
organizations.<br>
I confirm Centurion systems does not receive any money from KIF. Please<br>
verify the Business advocacy funds contributions and conditions since your<br>
information is false.<br>
<br>
It is not right to publish insinuations affecting KIF and its membership on<br>
a forum like Kictanet. Especially, since I have extended an invitation to<br>
meet so that I can give further explanations. I am waiting to gauge the<br>
interest in this invitation.<br>
<br>
For now I close my participation.<br>
<br>
Kevit Desai<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Gakuru , Alex [mailto:<a href="mailto:alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com"
target="_blank">alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Sent: 11 July 2008 17:24<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>To: kevit desai<br>
Cc: kictanet-lists<br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
<br>
Kevit;<br>
<br>
KIF recently received Kshs 3.5 grant million from a certain business fund.<br>
I am curious centurion system hosts them under their CSR?<br>
<br>
Public forum to explain all dealings openly and transparently?.<br>
<br>
regards,<br>
<br>
On 7/11/08, kevit desai <<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"
target="_blank">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Dear Sylvester,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Thank you for all the interest shown. Some of you would like further<br>
> information on the following activities:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Historical & present- Impact<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> - Ministerial stakeholder forum (regular
sectoral discussions<br>
> private sector - Government, with KEPSA)<br>
><br>
> - Power up with ICT nation - wide
awareness campaigns (2004,<br>
2005,<br>
> 2006)<br>
><br>
> - E-Government - municipal councils<br>
><br>
> - Open source software community<br>
><br>
> - E-commerce legislation<br>
><br>
> - Engineering student exhibition - 1997
- 2008<br>
><br>
> - ICT Bills (2006 - 2008)<br>
><br>
> - Creation of INFOCOM Ministry (2003)<br>
><br>
> - National ICT Policy formulation (2004
- 2006)<br>
><br>
> - Tax reforms 2006, 2007, 2008<br>
><br>
> - National innovation system<br>
><br>
> - University Education Reforms Task
Force (2006 - current)<br>
><br>
> - PSDS<br>
><br>
> - Africon 2009<br>
><br>
> - Public panels with Kenya ICT Board<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Associations:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> - KEPSA<br>
><br>
> - KIF<br>
><br>
> - IEEE<br>
><br>
> - <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region> software industry association<br>
><br>
><br>
> Please confirm your interest in a meeting. This will allow me to gauge<br>
level<br>
> of participation so as to plan the venue and also mobilize the relevant<br>
> leaders. If you are not on board, it would be great to have you on board.<br>
We<br>
> need your support<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Kevit Desai<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Director of Engineering - Centurion Systems<br>
><br>
> Chairperson IEEE - <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region>
Section<br>
><br>
> Chairman - Engineering students exhibition<br>
><br>
> Governor - KEPSA<br>
><br>
> Director - KEPSA<br>
><br>
> Director - Innovation <st1:place w:st="on">Africa</st1:place><br>
><br>
> Director- Kenya ICT Board<br>
><br>
> Vice Chairman - <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region>
ICT Federation<br>
><br>
> BOA - AIESEC<br>
><br>
> Member - National Strategy for University Education<br>
><br>
> Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable Business(GSB)-UNDP Kenya<br>
><br>
> General Co-Chair - Africon 2009<br>
><br>
> 2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse, <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Raphta
Rd</st1:address></st1:Street>, Westlands -<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Nairobi</st1:place></st1:City><br>
><br>
> P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb.<br>
><br>
> Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104 CDMA: 020 2049750<br>
><br>
> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Mobile</st1:place></st1:City>:
+254 722 517067<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/" target="_blank">http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.ieee.org/" target="_blank">http://www.ieee.org</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/" target="_blank">http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.innovation-africa.net/" target="_blank">http://www.innovation-africa.net</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.kepsa.or.ke/" target="_blank">http://www.kepsa.or.ke</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.powerup.co.ke/" target="_blank">http://www.powerup.co.ke</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.aiesec.org/" target="_blank">http://www.aiesec.org</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.africon2007.co.za/" target="_blank">http://www.africon2007.co.za</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.kif.or.ke/" target="_blank">http://www.kif.or.ke</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.ict.go.ke/" target="_blank">www.ict.go.ke</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.globalcompact.org/" target="_blank">http://www.globalcompact.org</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.undp.org/business/gsb" target="_blank">http://www.undp.org/business/gsb</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ________________________________<br>
><br>
><br>
> From:<br>
> kictanet-bounces+kevit=<a href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com/"
target="_blank">centurionsystemsltd.com</a>@<a
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
><br>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bkevit" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+kevit</a>=<a
href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com/" target="_blank">centurionsystemsltd.com</a>@<a
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>]<br>
> On Behalf Of Brian Longwe<br>
> Sent: 10 July 2008 18:57<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com" target="_blank">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a><br>
><br>
> Cc: kictanet-lists<br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Hi Sylvester,<br>
><br>
> Thank you so very much for highlighting yet another way in which
KICTANET<br>
> is beneficial to the communicat at large. through KICTANET we all learn so<br>
> many good things that are happening in/around - and can then make our own<br>
> decisions as to whether to follow up/engage.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
> Brian<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Sylvester Kisonzo<br>
> <<a href="mailto:skisonzo@securenet.co.ke" target="_blank">skisonzo@securenet.co.ke</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> And where can I read (or get information) about all these new names to me?<br>
> KEPSA, KIF, etc? Until recently when I joined this group, I had
never<br>
heard<br>
> of them. So I wonder how all the 'stakeholders' have all along been<br>
> involved.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> SK<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> From:<br>
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href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>]<br>
> On Behalf Of Joseph Manthi<br>
> Sent: 09 July 2008 20:47<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:skisonzo@gmail.com" target="_blank">skisonzo@gmail.com</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Cc: kictanet-lists<br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Waudo:<br>
> I would like to pose a simple question:<br>
><br>
> Why are these associations needed?<br>
><br>
> Joe<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 1:22 PM, waudo siganga <<a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com" target="_blank">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Brian - DFID set up KEPSA in 2001 to unite the private sector voice. The<br>
> idea was to bring together EXISTING associations. Someone got early
wind<br>
> that ICT was one of the identified sectors and decided to register a
NEW<br>
> association ostensibly as an umbrella body. The real umbrella body
was<br>
> actually supposed to be KEPSA, under its ICT Board. Period. Why did<br>
> someone find a pressing need to form a NEW association???<br>
><br>
> Anyway right now that is history and KEPSA ICT Board is on the right<br>
> track with all associations on board. We have to struggle to make
sure<br>
> it stays that way. I do not understand why you seem to be insisting
on<br>
> someone visiting KIF. What is the value addition? What can one
discover<br>
> there??? Some say there are personal companies underneath and KIF is
the<br>
> front but I do not wish to walk in that mud. My interest is KEPSA
ICT<br>
> Board not being equated with KIF.<br>
> Waudo<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:31:54 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com" target="_blank">blongwe@gmail.com</a>>
said:<br>
> > Actually if my memory serves me right. KIF is KEPSAs
"child" i.e when<br>
> > KEPSA decided to have sector clusters KIF was established *by*
KEpsa<br>
> > to act as the umbrella for ICT private sector.<br>
> ><br>
> > But I stand to be corrected if I'm getting my facts wrong. But
if I am<br>
> > right then it *is* important for any critics to understand the
inner<br>
> > workings by visiting.<br>
> ><br>
> > I am urging action instead of just talk.<br>
> ><br>
> > Brian<br>
> ><br>
> > Sent from my iPhone<br>
> ><br>
> > On 09 Jul 2008, at 6:39 PM, "waudo siganga" <<a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com" target="_blank">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>><br>
> > wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > > Hi Brian - I do not think that the issue is an interest in
the<br>
> > > internal<br>
> > > operations of KIF. We are talking governance in the
context of KEPSA/<br>
> > > KIF<br>
> > > relationship, something also of interest to the consumer
community.<br>
> > > For<br>
> > > your information last year all stakeholders held a meeting
in KEPSA<br>
> > > and<br>
> > > decided to open membership to all interested Private
Sector<br>
> > > associations. This was after it was observed that the
hitherto<br>
> > > stranglehold on KEPSA by KIF meant that the sector was not
adequately<br>
> > > represented. Some people may have felt unhappy or even
insecure with<br>
> > > this development. The problem is that my friend Kevit,
being the<br>
KEPSA<br>
> > > ICT director uses his position to constantly market KIF as
if it is a<br>
> > > favoured player in KEPSA (e.g. "I would like to
confirm that the<br>
> > > KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant." - as if implying
the other<br>
> > > associations are dead) He is often busy promoting
"KIF Positions"<br>
> > > instead of "KEPSA Positions" including using KIF
letterheads at the<br>
> > > MSFs. I have misgivings about the current ICT leadership
in KEPSA<br>
> > > but I<br>
> > > am hopeful things will change.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Waudo<br>
> > ><br>
> > > On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:54:41 +0300, "Brian Munyao
Longwe"<br>
> > > <<a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com" target="_blank">blongwe@gmail.com</a>>
said:<br>
> > >> Hi Alex,<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> I would find it hard to imagine how much more Kevit
can explain to<br>
> > >> you<br>
> > >> about KIF.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> I would like to suggest that Kevit extend an
invitation to you (and<br>
> > >> anyone else who might be interested/concerned) to
attend the next<br>
KIF<br>
> > >> meeting as an observer and see/feel the animal
yourself.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Brian<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> On 09 Jul 2008, at 3:45 PM, Alex Gakuru <<a
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com" target="_blank">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> > >> wrote:<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>> Kevit:<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> I am afraid you have not clarified well enough. I
shall not ask you<br>
> > >>> further KEPSA questions although on your previous
email you told<br>
> > >>> Waundo "As the director of KEPSA I
welcome CSK and any other<br>
> > >>> association to full membership of KEPSA."
Apparently this now<br>
> > >>> appears to have changed. And I doubt Waundo
complained of<br>
> > >>> "exclusion" not of his private self,
rather of CSK? I could be<br>
wrong<br>
> > >>> but he could clarify.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> On Jun 23, 2008 it was announced that a
"Local Software Industry<br>
> > >>> Association established" with, among others,
"3.1 Objective, Market<br>
> > >>> the local software industry to venture
capitalists." (see<br>
> > >>> announcement document attached) Was it registered
under Societies<br>
> > >>> Act<br>
> > >>> ( Read Public interest) or as Private
(non-or-for-profit) Company?<br>
I<br>
> > >>> found it strange it was formed 3 days to aour very
successful and<br>
> > >>> OPEN BarCamp. Is this one also under your
umbrella?<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> On the links you sent onlist:<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> <a href="http://www.innovation-africa.net/"
target="_blank">www.innovation-africa.net</a><br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> Domain Name: <a
href="http://innovation-africa.net/" target="_blank">INNOVATION-AFRICA.NET</a><br>
> > >>> Registrar: TUCOWS INC.<br>
> > >>> Whois Server: <a
href="http://whois.tucows.com/" target="_blank">whois.tucows.com</a><br>
> > >>> Referral URL: <a
href="http://domainhelp.opensrs.net/" target="_blank">http://domainhelp.opensrs.net</a><br>
> > >>> Name Server: <a
href="http://ultra103.uk2.net/" target="_blank">ULTRA103.UK2.NET</a><br>
> > >>> Name Server: <a
href="http://ultra104.uk2.net/" target="_blank">ULTRA104.UK2.NET</a><br>
> > >>> Status: redemptionPeriod<br>
> > >>> Updated Date: 24-jun-2008<br>
> > >>> Creation Date: 14-may-2007<br>
> > >>> Expiration Date: 14-may-2008<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> I tried <a
href="http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke/" target="_blank">www.innovation-africa.co.ke</a>
>> was re-directing to >><br>
> <a href="http://www.kif.or.ke/" target="_blank">www.kif.or.ke</a><br>
> > >>> ( but today it now says "under
construction") I gather Centurion<br>
> > >>> Systems offices accommodates KIF, is that correct?<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> What I am trying is to understand is who speaks in
the background<br>
> > >>> when when "KIF" issues
"stakeholders" statements on an issue,how<br>
> > >>> representative or public service-oriented, good
governance, in<br>
> > >>> trying to understand new and old associations'
motives.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> With above information, it would clear doubts of
public policy<br>
> > >>> participation illegitimacy or inappropriate public
procurement<br>
> > >>> involvement(s). For the sake of our growing
transparent ICTs<br>
> > >>> abundantly rewarding enterprising citizens.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> Alex<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> --- On Wed, 7/9/08, kevit desai<br>
> <<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com" target="_blank">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>><br>
> > >>> wrote:<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>>> From: kevit desai <<a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com" target="_blank">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>><br>
> > >>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and
Regulation for e-Commerce<br>
> > >>>> in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>> To: <a href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com"
target="_blank">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</a><br>
> > >>>> Cc: "'kictanet-lists'"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> > >>>> Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 2:50 AM<br>
> > >>>> Hi Alex,<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> I'm pleased to clarify as much as I can.<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> Kepsa has an open membership of PRIVATE sector
industry and<br>
> > >>>> market segment<br>
> > >>>> associations in almost all economic sectors. <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Independence</st1:place></st1:City>:<br>
> > >>>> KEPSA decisions<br>
> > >>>> are dependent on members wishes, and members
are drawn from<br>
> > >>>> the private<br>
> > >>>> sector. In fact, NGO's are not approached for<br>
> > >>>> membership in KEPSA, neither<br>
> > >>>> are government bodies including parastatals.
KIF follows<br>
> > >>>> the same approach<br>
> > >>>> for membership and decision-making. No NGO's
and<br>
> > >>>> government agencies are<br>
> > >>>> member ofn KIF. However, KEPSA and KIF consult
on a REGULAR<br>
> > >>>> BASIS with all<br>
> > >>>> those stakeholders. Having said that, KEPSA
and KIF have no<br>
> > >>>> obligation to<br>
> > >>>> offer service to non members.<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> Hopefully this helps to clarify. Do get in
touch with Sam<br>
> > >>>> Mwaura of KEPSA or<br>
> > >>>> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Marcel Werner</st1:PersonName>
of KIF.<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> Kevit<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
> > >>>> From: Alex Gakuru [mailto:<a
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com" target="_blank">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</a>]<br>
> > >>>> Sent: 09 July 2008 04:45<br>
> > >>>> To: kevit desai<br>
> > >>>> Cc: kictanet-lists<br>
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and
Regulation for<br>
> > >>>> e-Commerce in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> Kevit,<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> How does KEPSA and KIF governance relate
ensuring decisions<br>
> > >>>> independence?<br>
> > >>>> The political issue here may be monopolization
to the<br>
> > >>>> extent of clouding out<br>
> > >>>> other actors thereby generating conflict. The
Motive Theory<br>
> > >>>> steps in.<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> We investigate the effects of competition on
subjects'<br>
> > >>>> attitude towards<br>
> > >>>> cooperation. Three groups face three economic
environments<br>
> > >>>> with different<br>
> > >>>> degrees of competition, from a benchmark case
with no<br>
> > >>>> competition at all up<br>
> > >>>> to a perfect competition case. Subjects
contribute<br>
> > >>>> generously to a public<br>
> > >>>> project in the absence of competition, whereas
they<br>
> > >>>> contribute very little<br>
> > >>>> in the presence of a maximum degree of
competition. A<br>
> > >>>> diminishing attitude<br>
> > >>>> towards cooperation clearly emerges as the
degree of<br>
> > >>>> competition increases.<br>
> > >>>> Therefore, if cooperation does enhance
well-being, the<br>
> > >>>> maximum degree of<br>
> > >>>> competition may be not efficient.<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>><br>
><br>
<<a
href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba"
target="_blank">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba</a><br>
> > >>>> 6a6f51d7da9d40d806eb><br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> react.<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> --- On Tue, 7/8/08, kevit desai<br>
> > >>>> <<a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com" target="_blank">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>>> From: kevit desai<br>
> > >>>> <<a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com" target="_blank">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>><br>
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and
Regulation for<br>
> > >>>> e-Commerce in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>>> To: <a href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com"
target="_blank">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</a><br>
> > >>>>> Cc: <a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"
target="_blank">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>, "'KICTAnet ICT<br>
> > >>>> Policy Discussions'"<br>
> > >>>> <<a
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> > >>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 1:14 PM<br>
> > >>>>> Hi Waudo,<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> As the director of KEPSA I welcome
CSK and any other<br>
> > >>>>> association to full<br>
> > >>>>> membership of KEPSA. We look forward to a
meaningful<br>
> > >>>>> partnership.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Kevit Desai<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> _____<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> From: waudo siganga<br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com" target="_blank">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>]<br>
> > >>>>> Sent: 08 July 2008 13:55<br>
> > >>>>> To: Kevit Desai<br>
> > >>>>> Cc: <a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"
target="_blank">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy<br>
> > >>>>> Discussions'<br>
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and
Regulation for<br>
> > >>>>> e-Commerce in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Hello Kevit - I think one needs to be
careful when<br>
> > >>>> handling<br>
> > >>>>> KEPSA and KIF at<br>
> > >>>>> the same time. Do not use your foothold in
KEPSA to<br>
> > >>>> promote<br>
> > >>>>> KIF at the<br>
> > >>>>> expense of other associations. The
explanation is very<br>
> > >>>>> simple: KEPSA was<br>
> > >>>>> formed as a focal point, a bringing
together<br>
> > >>>> characterised<br>
> > >>>>> by INCLUSIVITY.<br>
> > >>>>> KIF on the other hand is an independent
association<br>
> > >>>> and the<br>
> > >>>>> nature of such<br>
> > >>>>> an association is EXCLUSIVITY (through
membership<br>
> > >>>>> mechanism). I would like<br>
> > >>>>> to see the promotion of more associations
on the KEPSA<br>
> > >>>> ICT<br>
> > >>>>> Board, not just<br>
> > >>>>> KIF. Please give us space.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Waudo<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:07 +0300,
"Kevit<br>
> > >>>> Desai"<br>
> > >>>>> <<a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com" target="_blank">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>>
said:<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Hi Alex,<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> KEPSA (<a href="mailto:info@kepsa.or.ke"
target="_blank">info@kepsa.or.ke</a>): private sector policy body<br>
> > >>>> with<br>
> > >>>>> its own governance<br>
> > >>>>> structure. Elected as a director in
private capacity<br>
> > >>>> and as<br>
> > >>>>> KIF vice<br>
> > >>>>> chairman.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> KIF (<a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"
target="_blank">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>): membership-based industry<br>
> > >>>>> association, member<br>
> > >>>>> of KEPSA's ICT section. Elected as
vice-chairman.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Centurion Systems Ltd: (<a
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/" target="_blank">www.centurionsystemsltd.com</a>)<br>
> > >>>>> private company,<br>
> > >>>>> director, member of KIF.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Director of Engineering - Centurion
Systems Ltd<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Chairperson IEEE - <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region> Section<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Chairperson - Engineering Students
Exhibition<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Governor - KEPSA<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Director - KEPSA<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Director - Innovation <st1:place w:st="on">Africa</st1:place><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Director-</st1:City>
<st1:country-region w:st="on">Kenya</st1:country-region></st1:place> ICT Board<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Vice Chairman - <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region> ICT Federation<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> BOA - AIESEC<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Member - National Strategy for University
Education<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable
Business(GSB)-UNDP<br>
> > >>>> <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> General Co-Chair - Africon 2009<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> 2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse,<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Raphta
Rd</st1:address></st1:Street><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> , Westlands -<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Nairobi</st1:place></st1:City><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104
CDMA: 020<br>
> > >>>>> 2049750<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Mobile</st1:place></st1:City>:
+254 722 517067<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <a
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/" target="_blank">http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com</a><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <a href="http://www.ieee.org/"
target="_blank">http://www.ieee.org</a><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <a
href="http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/" target="_blank">http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke</a><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <a href="http://www.innovation-africa.net/"
target="_blank">http://www.innovation-africa.net</a><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <a href="http://www.kepsa.or.ke/"
target="_blank">http://www.kepsa.or.ke</a><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <a href="http://www.powerup.co.ke/"
target="_blank">http://www.powerup.co.ke</a><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <a href="http://www.aiesec.org/"
target="_blank">http://www.aiesec.org</a><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <a href="http://www.africon2007.co.za/"
target="_blank">http://www.africon2007.co.za</a><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <a href="http://www.kif.or.ke/"
target="_blank">http://www.kif.or.ke</a><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> htpp://<a href="http://www.ict.go.ke/"
target="_blank">www.ict.go.ke</a><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <a href="http://www.globalcompact.org/"
target="_blank">http://www.globalcompact.org</a><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <a href="http://www.undp.org/business/gsb"
target="_blank">http://www.undp.org/business/gsb</a><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
> > >>>>> From: waudo siganga<br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com" target="_blank">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>]<br>
> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:40 PM<br>
> > >>>>> To: kevit desai<br>
> > >>>>> Cc: <a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"
target="_blank">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy<br>
> > >>>>> Discussions'<br>
> > >>>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and
Regulation for<br>
> > >>>>> e-Commerce in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Hello Kevit - Since you sent this message
to KICTANET<br>
> > >>>> I can<br>
> > >>>>> answer it on<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> the same forum. I think the picture being
painted<br>
> > >>>> about a<br>
> > >>>>> rosy situation<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> including "collaboration" is
simply not<br>
> > >>>> true. The<br>
> > >>>>> reason to be frank is<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> that there a few in your KIF who do not
want any other<br>
> > >>>>> association to<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> have a voice in KEPSA or to interact with
Government.<br>
> > >>>> Could<br>
> > >>>>> you as a<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> KEPSA director ensure that all interested
associations<br>
> > >>>>> including the<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> major ones not in KIF are allowed room to
contribute<br>
> > >>>> in<br>
> > >>>>> KEPSA? It can be<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> sad if you mis-use your position in KEPSA
only to<br>
> > >>>> promote<br>
> > >>>>> KIF and crack<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> down on those you feel are in the way.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Waudo<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:02:31 +0300,
"kevit<br>
> > >>>> desai"<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <<a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com" target="_blank">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>>
said:<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Hi Walu,<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Associations are welcome to be members
of KEPSA.<br>
> > >>>> I<br>
> > >>>>> would like to confirm<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> that the KEPSA/KIF relationship is
vibrant. We<br>
> > >>>> would<br>
> > >>>>> like to do a lot<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> more<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> and welcome more support.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> We appreciate Waudo's contributions at
our<br>
> > >>>> last<br>
> > >>>>> ministerial stakeholder<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> forum.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Collaboration is the way forward.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Kevit Desai<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> KEPSA Director<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> From:<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>><br>
> kictanet-bounces+kevit=<a href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com/"
target="_blank">centurionsystemsltd.com</a>@<a
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>><br>
><br>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bkevit" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+kevit</a>=<a
href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com/" target="_blank">centurionsystemsltd.com</a>@<a
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
> > >>>> ]<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> On Behalf Of waudo siganga<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Sent: 07 July 2008 19:02<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> To: <a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com" target="_blank">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Cc: <a
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke" target="_blank">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>;
KICTAnet ICT Policy<br>
> > >>>>> Discussions<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation
and<br>
> > >>>> Regulation for<br>
> > >>>>> e-Commerce in<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Hi Walu - I am catching you loud and
clear on<br>
> > >>>> GPRS<br>
> > >>>>> somewhere in the<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> bush. I did bring out the issue of
regulating the<br>
> > >>>> IT<br>
> > >>>>> (or ICT) Profession<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> on this list a few months ago. But the
rather<br>
> > >>>>> unenthusiastic response I<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> got gave me the sense that possibly
this was not<br>
> > >>>> the<br>
> > >>>>> correct list since<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> many of the subscribers appear just
interested in<br>
> > >>>> ICT<br>
> > >>>>> Policy rather than<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> being actual IT Experts. Within the
next two<br>
> > >>>> weeks<br>
> > >>>>> there will be another<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> list for professionals and you will be
informed<br>
> > >>>> (you<br>
> > >>>>> have the<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> qualifications, don't you??). We are
pushing<br>
> > >>>> for a<br>
> > >>>>> registration board<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> like thise done last yeaer for
nutritionists and<br>
> > >>>>> Procurement<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Practitioners. There is a lot of work
going on<br>
> > >>>>> unheralded. All we need<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> is a champion or chanpions in the
right place.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Waudo<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 02:45:53 -0700
(PDT),<br>
> > >>>> "John<br>
> > >>>>> Walubengo"<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com"
target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>> said:<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> Marcel,<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> It looks like quite some work has
been<br>
> > >>>> ongoing in<br>
> > >>>>> this<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> area...unfortunately it seems as
if it was<br>
> > >>>>> restricted within KIF only?<br>
> > >>>>> I<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> wonder if Computer Society of
Kenya (CSK,<br>
> > >>>> Waudo r<br>
> > >>>>> u there?) or<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> Information Security Audit &
Control<br>
> > >>>>> (ISACA-Kenya Chapter) just to<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> mention some of the big IT
Associations in<br>
> > >>>> <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>>> were involved. I beg to<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> be enlightened.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> This brings in an old question -
who really<br>
> > >>>>> represents the IT Profession<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region>? Shem has been on
record as saying<br>
> > >>>> that<br>
> > >>>>> IT is the only<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> discipline where we seem to lack
bodies with<br>
> > >>>> the<br>
> > >>>>> same authority as LSK<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> (Law Society of <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region>), IEK
(Institute of<br>
> > >>>>> Engineers of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region>), Medical<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> Practictioners Board amongst
others to<br>
> > >>>> regulate<br>
> > >>>>> the IT Profession.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> And by the way, KICTAnet does not
fit the<br>
> > >>>> bill<br>
> > >>>>> either (and has a<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> different objective anyway).
But time has<br>
> > >>>> come<br>
> > >>>>> to really start thinking<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> of regulating the IT profession,
even as we<br>
> > >>>>> struggle to regulate the<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> industry...Ideally, CSK should
take the lead<br>
> > >>>> on<br>
> > >>>>> this, but they have been<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> awfully quite except when they
award prizes<br>
> > >>>> at<br>
> > >>>>> the end of the year<br>
> > >>>>> (Waudo<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> I know u will kill me offline but
I just had<br>
> > >>>> to<br>
> > >>>>> say it!).<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> KEPSA? very reputable and
effective<br>
> > >>>> particularly<br>
> > >>>>> in the Manufacturing<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> sector but on IT? am not sure they
have been<br>
> > >>>> as<br>
> > >>>>> effective - particularly<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> because the link between KEPSA/KIF
and the<br>
> > >>>> IT<br>
> > >>>>> industry has been 'cloudy'<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> for lack of a better word...Can
for example<br>
> > >>>> CSK<br>
> > >>>>> or ISACA be part of<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> KEPSA without being part of KIF? I
again<br>
> > >>>> need to<br>
> > >>>>> be enlightened.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> O.K. I agree I did digress, but
just<br>
> > >>>> thinking<br>
> > >>>>> loudly and saying that as<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> we think of regulating electronic<br>
> > >>>> transactions,<br>
> > >>>>> we also need to<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> simultaneously start regulating
the IT<br>
> > >>>>> profession..but maybe I am wrong.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> Particularly because regulation
can and<br>
> > >>>> often<br>
> > >>>>> leads to suppression...<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> walu.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> --- On Sun, 7/6/08, <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Marcel Werner</st1:PersonName><br>
> > >>>>> <<a
href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com" target="_blank">marcelcwerner@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> From: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Marcel
Werner</st1:PersonName><br>
> > >>>>> <<a
href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com" target="_blank">marcelcwerner@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: [kictanet]
Legislation and<br>
> > >>>>> Regulation for e-Commerce in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> To: <a
href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> Cc: <a
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke" target="_blank">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>,<br>
> > >>>> "KICTAnet<br>
> > >>>>> ICT Policy Discussions"<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> <<a
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008,
6:43 PM<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> Legislation and Regulation for<br>
> > >>>> e-Commerce in<br>
> > >>>>> <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region> ICT Federation (KIF) -
Briefing<br>
> > >>>> Note #<br>
> > >>>>> 3 - Report -<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> Public Panel 19<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> June 2008<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> *Electronic commerce
(e-commerce) will<br>
> > >>>> add<br>
> > >>>>> at least one<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> percent point growth<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> to <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region>'s overall economic growth<br>
> > >>>>> within five years.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> This is contingent<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> upon the adoption of
legislation that<br>
> > >>>>> supports electronic<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> transactions. *<st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region>,<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> as an emerging economy and
regional<br>
> > >>>> leader,<br>
> > >>>>> lags behind in<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> having a legal<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> framework for e-commerce in
place. The<br>
> > >>>>> current situation is<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> an anachronism<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> hampering national
development, placing<br>
> > >>>>> provincial centres<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> at a<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> disadvantage, and harming
global<br>
> > >>>>> competitiveness. Both<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> external and internal<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> trade require the new
framework.The<br>
> > >>>> Kenyan<br>
> > >>>>> private sector<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> strongly supports<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> e-commerce legislation, as
well as<br>
> > >>>>> legislation of the<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> Information and<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> Communication Technology
sector that<br>
> > >>>>> guarantees an open<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> market and promotes<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> innovation.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> Why e-commerce law? Today, legislation<br>
> > >>>>> supporting<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> electronic transactions<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> represents the single most
powerful<br>
> > >>>>> innovation opportunity<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> in the legal<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> framework of the ICT sector.<br>
> > >>>> Legislation is<br>
> > >>>>> needed to:<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> -Legalize e-commerce
transactions by<br>
> > >>>>> recognizing an<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> electronic signature<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> -Manage and control e-commerce
r<br>
> > >>> <<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
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