[kictanet] Online courtesy- dont misuse this forum!!!!

Fri Jan 25 20:05:37 EAT 2008

Except that this seems, at least to be an ict related discussion list, therefore inappropriate for the comments - even if they were justified. There are online various other lists where discussing politics and those other issues would be welcome, perhaps you could be directed there?

Al Kags
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-----Original Message-----
From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:34:14 
To:alkags at alkags.com
Cc:Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Online courtesy- dont misuse this forum!!!!

Hi,

It is unfortunate that your ethnicity is blinding you from the reality of the situation.  Please be specific about the issues in my posting that have been negative to the Kikuyu and stop reacting.  

It is disappointing that we advocate for what you deem negative to be discussed in bars and political rallies, isn't this how we got to where we are in the first place?  

How many years would it take to walk from Egypt to Israel?

So why did it take 40 years for Moses, a trained astronomer, to get the children of Israel back home?

The life of a slave is the responsibility of his master, and as Cane was told you are your brothers keeper.

All the writing is on the wall and for that reason I refuse to apologize for my comments.

Regards

 Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
KEnya

Tel: +254722511225

----- Original Message ----
From: Rebecca Wanjiku <rebeccawanjiku at yahoo.com>
To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Friday, 11 January, 2008 12:49:59 PM
Subject: Online courtesy- dont misuse this forum!!!!

Dear Yawe,

I am sure my name has given me away too but I dont care much about that.

Suffice it to say that this is not a forum for bar talk and that kind of stuff. This is a place for serious discussions. I am sure this kind of responses can make people to unsubscribe from this list, or make others start defending their political stand.

For the years I have been a member of this list, I am sure Kictanet accommodates everybody irrespective of race, ethnic background or levels of development.

This is a list with people beyond Kenya, who are interested in ICT policy and other attendant issues. If everybody came to narrate such stories online, I wonder what we will do during our free time when we are supposed to engage in idle talk.

Let us restrict this kind of talk to political rallies and local pubs and let this forum be for serious ICT discussions. We must see beyond some of these things.

If you have any bone to pick with my contribution please reply to me directly and not to the list.

Walubengo has published guidelines on posting, I am sure he will be kind enough to re-post them just to remind ourselves how to conduct online discussions.

Best regards
Becky

 Tel. 254 720 318 925

blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/ <http://beckyit.blogspot.com/> 

----- Original Message ----
From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
To: Alex Gakuru <gakuru at gmail.com>; ke-internetusers at bdix.net
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:26:09 AM
Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco

Hi Alex,

If your name is a definite give away and I would have been more surprised if your contribution was any different.

Do not create a storm in a tea cub, the Kikuyu should head the adage "with great power comes great responsibility".  By not uplifting the livelihood of your neighbours in Eldoret, Kisumu and Kuresoi you failed in your responsibility.  Yes, you are your brothers keeper do not escape your right.

Taking us back to the days of your tribes existence as gatherers (sorry they still are) you are trying to justify your abdicated responsibility.  Teach your pastoral and fishing neigbours how to better their lives and this problem will solve itself.

Take Raila's hand and show him how by taking EA Spectre and the Molasses plant public is the way of the future instead of selling everything to Trans Century.  Teach Ruto that education is the land of the future, his mentor ruled us for 24 years longer than Kenyatta ruled yet Gatundu is still better off than Sacho.

It is time the Kikuyu accepted that they have misused their God given right to enrich yourselves and frustrate those you are responsible for.

Regards

 Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
KEnya

Tel: +254722511225

----- Original Message ----
From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru at gmail.com>
To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers at bdix.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 8 January, 2008 9:30:09 PM
Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco

Greetings Robert,

Let break it down!

You mean every Kikuyu carries a "land thief" label on their forehead?
Terrible thieves of indigenous lands they should all be. Hey, what am
I saying? You live and your office is in Nairobi right? And Nairobi is
a maasai name. oops! Then we are occupying indigenous maasai land and
we should all vacate and go back to our ancestral homes to avoid
massai rungus and spears.

Step 1

Kalenjin head back to Rift Valley, Luo back to Luo-Nyanza, Kikuyus to
Central Kenya, Arabs, Waswahili back to the coast, Taita...  etc etc..
all 42 communities ( or should I use tribes?)

Step 2

Before we unpack those sufurias, beddings, and bags and city life
computers and modems. History says pssst! Look over here! Sorry
Bantus, the Nigeria-Cameroon-  Congo forest is where you belong you
only came here 5,000 years ago (3000 BC)
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu#Origins <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu#Origins> > And you Nilotics get up
further north to the Sudan, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilotic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilotic> ),
Cushitics back to the arab-asia origins.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Asiatic_languages <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Asiatic_languages> >

Step 3

If you noticed above Nilotics include Maa-speaking peoples who earlier
chased you and me from their Nairobi. etc.. etc..

Step 4

Nearly forgot, Indians please the British only brought you here to
construct Her/His Majesty's EAR and you have over-stayed. Get packing
thank you very much for your labours. BTW, White Kenyans remember
Europe is where your ancestors are? Everyone is going back home where
they belongs. ok!

Step 5

If there are any Americans- Kenyans you go home as well. This is a
hard one because once you get there, you then retrace where you came
from because Native Americans claim that land. Australians the
Aborigine wan their land back. Spanish Mexicans the Aztecs want back
their land etc etc

Step 6

Kenya's permanent solution to the Eldoret "problem" as per Yawe has
triggered an unprecedented global migration crisis and succeeded in
removing everyone from Kenya. In other works, there is no Kenya
because Kenya was an artificial invention of some British adventurers
who have all been compelled to go back home.

Finally,

Everybody is now safely back in their home land and permanent peace
prevails all over the world?

BTW regarding, "Evelyn brought out an interesting issue, can we
digitize the land ownership patterns so that we can easily identify
prospective problem zones before they flare up," I believe she must
have been making reference to a KDN's business proposal because she
works there and it's her job to look for new business. She's unlikely
to share it with potential competitors on the list, at least I
wouldn't:)

Nice debate, hit me!

Enjoy!

Alex

On Jan 8, 2008 8:04 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> > wrote:
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> We know the genesis of the problems in Eldoret and whichever way the
> election went the killings and displacements there would still have taken
> place.  Stop bombarding God with insincere prayers, we pray together only to
> walk out of the judge and return to our tribal cocoons.
>
> The history and progression of the tensions in Eldoret are well known and
> documented, it had nothing to do with the election results but Ruto
> finishing off what he begun in 1992 - 1997.  Remember is the one of the only
> known participant in a cabinet meeting who was not a minister.
>
> Give the land back to the Kalenjin it was taken away from them by the
> settlers but returned to the Kikuyu.  If you want my added opinion if you
> decide to eat a frog eat a fat juicy one, if the Kikuyu's really want to
> remain in Eldoret let them make sure they have uninterrupted tracts of not
> less than 100 acres and stop promising your sons and daughters that they
> will inherit the land lets move to the new age, knowledge.
>
> Evelyn brought out an interesting issue, can we digitize the land ownership
> patterns so that we can easily identify prospective problem zones before
> they flare up.
>
> Lets stop useless rhetoric and apply our knowledge and skills to better run
> this country, stop using 18th century solutions for 22nd century problems.
> There are enough busy bodies dealing with the now and here of this crisis we
> need a group to look 20 years ahead to make sure that the child born in
> Eldoret, Nyeri or Kisumu today does not revert to the solutions of todays 20
> year old.
>
> Alex, I refuse to be pulled into a discussion that I cannot provide a
> workable solution that is within my skill set.  Ask me for a techie solution
> to a problem then I am in my forte.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>  Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> KEnya
>
> Tel: +254722511225
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Alex Gakuru <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com <mailto:alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com> >
> To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> >
> Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers at bdix.net <mailto:ke-internetusers at bdix.net> >
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January, 2008 12:58:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco
>
> Robert:
>
> Firstly, I am not opposed to your expressed opinion but only calling
> on prioritisation of issues.  We are lucky to be alive and in our
> offices typing away our diverse polls opinions and offering our best
> efforts in solving problems facing our suffering brothers and sisters.
>
> But could we at this moment in time focus all our energies on
> solidifying returning peace and calm. Hard-line political positions,
> polls details, allegations or insinuations will neither console those
> that lost their loved ones, destroyed homes, property, and
> livelihoods. Accusations will not console fellow Kenyans and relatives
> since spending every night in the cold not because they committed any
> crime.
>
> Let us all try a very difficult thing, forgiveness. Anger is easily
> inflames and spread whereas honest forgiveness is such a difficult
> thing for us to do. But why should we all  forgive in the first place?
> some may ask.
>
> I believe forgiveness should not be to please the aggressor, not to
> gain political mileage, settle political scores, or improve ones
> public image. We should not  forgive to appear righteous to appease
> our religious leaders, cultural traditions, or our families.
>
> We should forgive so that we save own selves from self-ruin. Save our
> futures from burdens of pain and grief. To break free chains of
> carrying burdens of hatred for the rest of our lives. For our
> conscience, hearts and minds to be unpolluted, pure and clear. To
> appreciate and focus on the beauty, value and to actualise sanctity of
> life every moment that we live. And to become soldiers of life, love,
> kindness, and fairness fellow beings.
>
> What possibly could ever justify one taking the life of another? I
> simply could never find words strong enough to condemn such.
>
> Therefore, my friend, let is not tire ourselves with politicians power
> self-interests when  many are undergoing trauma. At this moment in
> time politicians interests bother me the least. Time will tell and I
> hope 10 years todays, this country will look back at this as the
> darkest cloud ever to have passed over our country.
>
> Alex
>
> On Jan 8, 2008 11:52 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> > wrote:
> >
> > Happy new year to you all and I pray that you are all well.
> >
> > It is shocking that in this day and age we can actually have the kind of
> > electoral fiasco that has been visited on us by the ECK and Co as well as
> > the political parties.
> >
> > This draconian problem reared its head when the Orange house was broken
> into
> > and the computers stolen.  Hon.Nyongo's statement indicated that the
> > objective was to steal the member register.  If I needed to steal the
> > register which from his comments was in electronic form what was the need
> of
> > taking off with the computer.  Has he ever heard of flash disks,
> external
> > hard dis drives and CD/DVD writers.  Technology allows me to steal his
> data
> > without him every knowing.
> >
> > After this issue Kivuiti dismissed the SMS service that had been made
> > available by Telkom to enable voters confirm their details.  He even went
> to
> > the extent of saying he does not know how to send an SMS.  As the IT
> > fraternity in the country can we really escape blame for this fiasco?
> >
> > The next time was when  I saw Hon. Ruto standing at KICC and screaming
> > himself hoarse over the forms 16 & 16A that had not been received.   It
> seems
> > he might be using a Nokia 1018 mobile phone (he actually uses a Nokia N
> > series).
> >
> > Was it so difficult for the opposition to provide each of their agents
> with
> > a camera equipped mobile phone that they would have used to to take
> pictures
> > of the form and also record the returning officer announcing the results.
> > This would then have been easily sent to party head quarters.
> >
> > There are 210 or so constituencies in the country and the mobile phones I
> am
> > talking about cost about 10,000/- each do the math.
> >
> > I ask am I the only Kenyan who is aware of such technology or is this
> entire
> > fiasco a stage managed process.  Even the EU observer teams came equipped
> as
> > if it was the 12th Century after which they proceeded to make unsupported
> > statements about the result that further inflamed bloodshed.
> >
> > Maybe its a techie thing to keep in our glass houses and refuse to add
> value
> > to a process and only send around message (this one included) after the
> > fact.
> >
> > It is re-assuring when we remember the Florida fiasco but this not
> > withstanding do we really have a moral standing to point fingers about the
> > election results?
> >
> > What will be our contribution to stopping this from being repeated in
> > future?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Remember Matiba and his video cameras during the good old days of
> mulolongo
> > voting?
> >
> > Robert Yawe
> > KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> > KEnya
> >
> > Tel: +254722511225
> >
> >
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