[kictanet] Disciplinar Measures [was Re: Online courtesy- dont misuse this forum!!!!]

Mon Jan 14 14:01:00 EAT 2008

I second that Brian,

Its a disgrace we can have such postings on an international mailing
list, Not at this time or at any other time for that matter

Gakiria

On 1/14/08, brian <brian at caret.net> wrote:
>
> I propose that we suspend the two who are using this list for ethnic
> arguments for 2 weeks. We must have discipline.
>
> Brian Munyao Longwe
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:24:22 +0300, alice <alice at apc.org> wrote:
> > Dear Yawe and all
> >
> > KICTANet is committed to and is contributing to the various peace and
> > reconciliation efforts and therefore condemns any attempt to extend the
> > crisis to virtual space.
> >
> > So a reminder of some of the he rules once again.
> >
> > Mind your manners and during this period mind them extra hard.....Don't
> > send rude, political, tribal and offensive e-mails or postings.
> >
> > * Be polite - virtual members are real not a cyberspace dunderheads with
> > no
> > feelings.
> >
> > * Watch your words - We can't see your face, and the emotions in
> > words can get misinterpreted.
> >
> > * Kick the bad language - People are listening.
> >
> > * Laws are laws - What's real in the real world are the same in
> > cyberspace.
> >
> >
> > * Newbie tolerance - You're an expert in cyberspace, don't forget
> > there are newbie's trying to learn as much as you had to.
> >
> > * Be ethical in your posting. Don't lie, plagiarize, or deliberately
> > do harm to another KICTANet forum user.
> >
> > regards
> > alice
> >
> >
> > Rebecca Wanjiku wrote:
> >> Dear Yawe,
> >>
> >> I am sure my name has given me away too but I dont care much about that.
> >>
> >> Suffice it to say that this is not a forum for bar talk and that kind
> >> of stuff. This is a place for serious discussions. I am sure this kind
> >> of responses can make people to unsubscribe from this list, or make
> >> others start defending their political stand.
> >>
> >> For the years I have been a member of this list, I am sure Kictanet
> >> accommodates everybody irrespective of race, ethnic background or
> >> levels of development.
> >>
> >> This is a list with people beyond Kenya, who are interested in ICT
> >> policy and other attendant issues. If everybody came to narrate such
> >> stories online, I wonder what we will do during our free time when we
> >> are supposed to engage in idle talk.
> >>
> >> Let us restrict this kind of talk to political rallies and local pubs
> >> and let this forum be for serious ICT discussions. We must see beyond
> >> some of these things.
> >>
> >> If you have any bone to pick with my contribution please reply to me
> >> directly and not to the list.
> >>
> >> Walubengo has published guidelines on posting, I am sure he will be
> >> kind enough to re-post them just to remind ourselves how to conduct
> >> online discussions.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >> Becky
> >> Tel. 254 720 318 925
> >> blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> To: Alex Gakuru <gakuru at gmail.com>; ke-internetusers at bdix.net
> >> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:26:09 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco
> >>
> >> Hi Alex,
> >>
> >> If your name is a definite give away and I would have been more
> >> surprised if your contribution was any different.
> >>
> >> Do not create a storm in a tea cub, the Kikuyu should head the adage
> >> "with great power comes great responsibility". By not uplifting the
> >> livelihood of your neighbours in Eldoret, Kisumu and Kuresoi you
> >> failed in your responsibility. Yes, you are your brothers keeper do
> >> not escape your right.
> >>
> >> Taking us back to the days of your tribes existence as gatherers
> >> (sorry they still are) you are trying to justify your abdicated
> >> responsibility. Teach your pastoral and fishing neigbours how to
> >> better their lives and this problem will solve itself.
> >>
> >> Take Raila's hand and show him how by taking EA Spectre and the
> >> Molasses plant public is the way of the future instead of selling
> >> everything to Trans Century. Teach Ruto that education is the land of
> >> the future, his mentor ruled us for 24 years longer than Kenyatta
> >> ruled yet Gatundu is still better off than Sacho.
> >>
> >> It is time the Kikuyu accepted that they have misused their God given
> >> right to enrich yourselves and frustrate those you are responsible for.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Robert Yawe
> >> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> >> KEnya
> >> Tel: +254722511225
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru at gmail.com>
> >> To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers at bdix.net>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January, 2008 9:30:09 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco
> >>
> >> Greetings Robert,
> >>
> >> Let break it down!
> >>
> >> You mean every Kikuyu carries a "land thief" label on their forehead?
> >> Terrible thieves of indigenous lands they should all be. Hey, what am
> >> I saying? You live and your office is in Nairobi right? And Nairobi is
> >> a maasai name. oops! Then we are occupying indigenous maasai land and
> >> we should all vacate and go back to our ancestral homes to avoid
> >> massai rungus and spears.
> >>
> >> Step 1
> >>
> >> Kalenjin head back to Rift Valley, Luo back to Luo-Nyanza, Kikuyus to
> >> Central Kenya, Arabs, Waswahili back to the coast, Taita... etc etc..
> >> all 42 communities ( or should I use tribes?)
> >>
> >> Step 2
> >>
> >> Before we unpack those sufurias, beddings, and bags and city life
> >> computers and modems. History says pssst! Look over here! Sorry
> >> Bantus, the Nigeria-Cameroon- Congo forest is where you belong you
> >> only came here 5,000 years ago (3000 BC)
> >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu#Origins> And you Nilotics get up
> >> further north to the Sudan, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilotic),
> >> Cushitics back to the arab-asia origins.
> >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Asiatic_languages>
> >>
> >> Step 3
> >>
> >> If you noticed above Nilotics include Maa-speaking peoples who earlier
> >> chased you and me from their Nairobi. etc.. etc..
> >>
> >> Step 4
> >>
> >> Nearly forgot, Indians please the British only brought you here to
> >> construct Her/His Majesty's EAR and you have over-stayed. Get packing
> >> thank you very much for your labours. BTW, White Kenyans remember
> >> Europe is where your ancestors are? Everyone is going back home where
> >> they belongs. ok!
> >>
> >> Step 5
> >>
> >> If there are any Americans- Kenyans you go home as well. This is a
> >> hard one because once you get there, you then retrace where you came
> >> from because Native Americans claim that land. Australians the
> >> Aborigine wan their land back. Spanish Mexicans the Aztecs want back
> >> their land etc etc
> >>
> >> Step 6
> >>
> >> Kenya's permanent solution to the Eldoret "problem" as per Yawe has
> >> triggered an unprecedented global migration crisis and succeeded in
> >> removing everyone from Kenya. In other works, there is no Kenya
> >> because Kenya was an artificial invention of some British adventurers
> >> who have all been compelled to go back home.
> >>
> >> Finally,
> >>
> >> Everybody is now safely back in their home land and permanent peace
> >> prevails all over the world?
> >>
> >> BTW regarding, "Evelyn brought out an interesting issue, can we
> >> digitize the land ownership patterns so that we can easily identify
> >> prospective problem zones before they flare up," I believe she must
> >> have been making reference to a KDN's business proposal because she
> >> works there and it's her job to look for new business. She's unlikely
> >> to share it with potential competitors on the list, at least I
> >> wouldn't:)
> >>
> >> Nice debate, hit me!
> >>
> >> Enjoy!
> >>
> >> Alex
> >>
> >> On Jan 8, 2008 8:04 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> >> <mailto:robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi Alex,
> >> >
> >> > We know the genesis of the problems in Eldoret and whichever way the
> >> > election went the killings and displacements there would still have
> >> taken
> >> > place. Stop bombarding God with insincere prayers, we pray together
> >> only to
> >> > walk out of the judge and return to our tribal cocoons.
> >> >
> >> > The history and progression of the tensions in Eldoret are well
> >> known and
> >> > documented, it had nothing to do with the election results but Ruto
> >> > finishing off what he begun in 1992 - 1997. Remember is the one of
> >> the only
> >> > known participant in a cabinet meeting who was not a minister.
> >> >
> >> > Give the land back to the Kalenjin it was taken away from them by the
> >> > settlers but returned to the Kikuyu. If you want my added opinion if
> > you
> >> > decide to eat a frog eat a fat juicy one, if the Kikuyu's really want
> > to
> >> > remain in Eldoret let them make sure they have uninterrupted tracts
> >> of not
> >> > less than 100 acres and stop promising your sons and daughters that
> > they
> >> > will inherit the land lets move to the new age, knowledge.
> >> >
> >> > Evelyn brought out an interesting issue, can we digitize the land
> >> ownership
> >> > patterns so that we can easily identify prospective problem zones
> > before
> >> > they flare up.
> >> >
> >> > Lets stop useless rhetoric and apply our knowledge and skills to
> >> better run
> >> > this country, stop using 18th century solutions for 22nd century
> >> problems.
> >> > There are enough busy bodies dealing with the now and here of this
> >> crisis we
> >> > need a group to look 20 years ahead to make sure that the child born
> > in
> >> > Eldoret, Nyeri or Kisumu today does not revert to the solutions of
> >> todays 20
> >> > year old.
> >> >
> >> > Alex, I refuse to be pulled into a discussion that I cannot provide a
> >> > workable solution that is within my skill set. Ask me for a techie
> >> solution
> >> > to a problem then I am in my forte.
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Robert Yawe
> >> > KAY System Technologies Ltd
> >> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> >> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> >> > KEnya
> >> >
> >> > Tel: +254722511225
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message ----
> >> > From: Alex Gakuru <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com>>
> >> > To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> > <mailto:robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>>
> >> > Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers at bdix.net
> >> <mailto:ke-internetusers at bdix.net>>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, 8 January, 2008 12:58:48 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco
> >> >
> >> > Robert:
> >> >
> >> > Firstly, I am not opposed to your expressed opinion but only calling
> >> > on prioritisation of issues. We are lucky to be alive and in our
> >> > offices typing away our diverse polls opinions and offering our best
> >> > efforts in solving problems facing our suffering brothers and sisters.
> >> >
> >> > But could we at this moment in time focus all our energies on
> >> > solidifying returning peace and calm. Hard-line political positions,
> >> > polls details, allegations or insinuations will neither console those
> >> > that lost their loved ones, destroyed homes, property, and
> >> > livelihoods. Accusations will not console fellow Kenyans and relatives
> >> > since spending every night in the cold not because they committed any
> >> > crime.
> >> >
> >> > Let us all try a very difficult thing, forgiveness. Anger is easily
> >> > inflames and spread whereas honest forgiveness is such a difficult
> >> > thing for us to do. But why should we all forgive in the first place?
> >> > some may ask.
> >> >
> >> > I believe forgiveness should not be to please the aggressor, not to
> >> > gain political mileage, settle political scores, or improve ones
> >> > public image. We should not forgive to appear righteous to appease
> >> > our religious leaders, cultural traditions, or our families.
> >> >
> >> > We should forgive so that we save own selves from self-ruin. Save our
> >> > futures from burdens of pain and grief. To break free chains of
> >> > carrying burdens of hatred for the rest of our lives. For our
> >> > conscience, hearts and minds to be unpolluted, pure and clear. To
> >> > appreciate and focus on the beauty, value and to actualise sanctity of
> >> > life every moment that we live. And to become soldiers of life, love,
> >> > kindness, and fairness fellow beings.
> >> >
> >> > What possibly could ever justify one taking the life of another? I
> >> > simply could never find words strong enough to condemn such.
> >> >
> >> > Therefore, my friend, let is not tire ourselves with politicians power
> >> > self-interests when many are undergoing trauma. At this moment in
> >> > time politicians interests bother me the least. Time will tell and I
> >> > hope 10 years todays, this country will look back at this as the
> >> > darkest cloud ever to have passed over our country.
> >> >
> >> > Alex
> >> >
> >> > On Jan 8, 2008 11:52 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> >> <mailto:robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Happy new year to you all and I pray that you are all well.
> >> > >
> >> > > It is shocking that in this day and age we can actually have the
> >> kind of
> >> > > electoral fiasco that has been visited on us by the ECK and Co as
> >> well as
> >> > > the political parties.
> >> > >
> >> > > This draconian problem reared its head when the Orange house was
> >> broken
> >> > into
> >> > > and the computers stolen. Hon.Nyongo's statement indicated that the
> >> > > objective was to steal the member register. If I needed to steal the
> >> > > register which from his comments was in electronic form what was
> >> the need
> >> > of
> >> > > taking off with the computer. Has he ever heard of flash disks,
> >> > external
> >> > > hard dis drives and CD/DVD writers. Technology allows me to steal
> > his
> >> > data
> >> > > without him every knowing.
> >> > >
> >> > > After this issue Kivuiti dismissed the SMS service that had been
> > made
> >> > > available by Telkom to enable voters confirm their details. He
> >> even went
> >> > to
> >> > > the extent of saying he does not know how to send an SMS. As the IT
> >> > > fraternity in the country can we really escape blame for this
> > fiasco?
> >> > >
> >> > > The next time was when I saw Hon. Ruto standing at KICC and
> > screaming
> >> > > himself hoarse over the forms 16 & 16A that had not been received.
> > It
> >> > seems
> >> > > he might be using a Nokia 1018 mobile phone (he actually uses a
> >> Nokia N
> >> > > series).
> >> > >
> >> > > Was it so difficult for the opposition to provide each of their
> > agents
> >> > with
> >> > > a camera equipped mobile phone that they would have used to to take
> >> > pictures
> >> > > of the form and also record the returning officer announcing the
> >> results.
> >> > > This would then have been easily sent to party head quarters.
> >> > >
> >> > > There are 210 or so constituencies in the country and the mobile
> >> phones I
> >> > am
> >> > > talking about cost about 10,000/- each do the math.
> >> > >
> >> > > I ask am I the only Kenyan who is aware of such technology or is
> > this
> >> > entire
> >> > > fiasco a stage managed process. Even the EU observer teams came
> >> equipped
> >> > as
> >> > > if it was the 12th Century after which they proceeded to make
> >> unsupported
> >> > > statements about the result that further inflamed bloodshed.
> >> > >
> >> > > Maybe its a techie thing to keep in our glass houses and refuse to
> > add
> >> > value
> >> > > to a process and only send around message (this one included)
> >> after the
> >> > > fact.
> >> > >
> >> > > It is re-assuring when we remember the Florida fiasco but this not
> >> > > withstanding do we really have a moral standing to point fingers
> >> about the
> >> > > election results?
> >> > >
> >> > > What will be our contribution to stopping this from being repeated
> > in
> >> > > future?
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards
> >> > >
> >> > > Remember Matiba and his video cameras during the good old days of
> >> > mulolongo
> >> > > voting?
> >> > >
> >> > > Robert Yawe
> >> > > KAY System Technologies Ltd
> >> > > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> >> > > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> >> > > KEnya
> >> > >
> >> > > Tel: +254722511225
> >> > >
> >> > >
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