[kictanet] [Fwd: Re: OHH POLE???-Didn't look like.]
MediaSpeak Africa
mesafric at gmail.com
Mon Feb 18 18:31:00 EAT 2008
I think this is totally uncalled for, unprofessional and gross and am highly
ashamed to share this forum with people who would go to such shameless
extents.
Really, I pity Dr Ndemo who has humbled himself enough to be a part of
public discussions with the hope that he will be more in touch with the
people that he serves.
If people who call themselves professional and educated can go to this
extent, then why blame the guy who chops off your head or burns your house
at the slightest provocation/excuse?
Ndegwa
On 18/02/2008, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
> This is unwarranted (below)attack and does not help us to develop a nation
> called Kenya.
>
>
> ---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
> Subject: Re: OHH POLE???-Didn't look like.
> From: "Robert Alai" <alai.robert at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, February 16, 2008 8:12 am
> To: "John Walubengo" <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "alice" <alice at apc.org>
> "Washington Odhiambo" <odhiambo at gmail.com>
> "eve kictanet" <evelyne at kictanet.or.ke>
> "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> John
>
> respect when people are being forcibly circumcised. I worked in the forces
> and from our own intelligence Kibaki is arming the Kikuyus for a major
> offensive now. We have pictures and facts about this and videos of
> confessions. Kenya cant and wont be the same with the kind of attitude
> which
> Bitange is creating while we know that people aare being killed for not
> being Kikuyus. I dont have two months in forums John. I run kaziafrika
> fforum which has more than 5700 active members. I run jamboforums.comwhich
> iss the public watchdog for Tanzania and has 5 million hits in one month.
> Jamboforum is credited with revealing the Richmond scandal, Buzwagi
> scandal,
> BOT scandal, and many others. I have experiece of 6 years in UN hostile
> zones including and not limited to DRC, Rwanda, Burundi and Mozambique.
>
> Guys dont lick the ass of people like Bitange just because they are PSs. I
> personnaly wrote to my former boss who is Ban Ki Moon and sent the pics
> and
> also copied the humanitarian head who is Holmes. I believe that Kibaki and
> his cohorts like Ndemo are buying time to butcher Kenyans. All routes in
> Nairobi which matatus operat in have now see the ressurgence of Mungikis
> in
> the name of touts. These people are preparing to strike. I have witnessed
> in
> one of the routes Mungikis slashing people with razor blades. It a new
> attack which is ccoming up. People are now being attacked wwith razor
> blades
> and not Pangas as before.
>
> Guys lets be serrious lakini tafadhalini tusilambe tako la Ndemo.
>
> Alai
>
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM, John Walubengo <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Robert,
> >
> > I dont know you. You dont know me, but probably by virtue
> > of being a moderator of the KICTAnet list I have had to
> > endure your 'tantrums'. I actually dont know how all this
> > started but all I can say is that I see you are hurting and
> > probably you should avoid writing/posting until you get
> > your cool.
> >
> > Anger is a bad partner when combined with the written word.
> > Infact the things you say are easily forgotten but those
> > you write remain forever. In my brief online life, I have
> > learnt never to scribble when am worked up. What I do is
> > to scribble, save it and review the content 12hrs later.
> > Most of the times, I make changes that pass the same
> > message in a more diplomatic and positive manner.
> >
> > And that's really what the KICTAnet list is asking of
> > members. Diplomacy. Try to say things with respect just as
> > you would in real life.
> >
> > walu.
> > --- Robert Alai <alai.robert at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Alice
> > >
> > > So thats what they taught you in school? Thats what you
> > > do at CCK? Hey you
> > > are simle failure to Kenyans. You believe in solving a
> > > problem by running
> > > away from it? Let me teach you abou lists and forums. I
> > > see your Masters
> > > degree is not coming handy here.
> > >
> > > Alai
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Robert Alai
> > > <alai.robert at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Alice
> > > >
> > > > Did it touch you? Who again did you warn. Do you see
> > > like you are cutting
> > > > my oxygen when you ban me? Ban, kwani? If Wainaina
> > > brings politics know that
> > > > I will answer him politically and threats from you or
> > > Ndemo wont scare me.
> > > > Kenyans know the truth and thinking that ogre mentality
> > > will scare me from
> > > > saying what it is as it is then you are in for a
> > > suprise. By the way how
> > > > important is KICTANET?
> > > >
> > > > Alice, you are just behaving like Michuki who was
> > > Bitange's boss. Thinking
> > > > that killing the messenger will stop people from
> > > getting the truth. Hell NO.
> > > > KTN and Standard are more stronger than ever and with
> > > or without government
> > > > lincenses we watch it in Kisumu through sattelite.
> > > >
> > > > Shame on you and your stooge, Ndemo.
> > > >
> > > > Alai
> > > > unedited
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:27 AM, alice <alice at apc.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear Robert...
> > > > >
> > > > > This is a warning to you. Respect KICTAnet mailing
> > > list rules especially
> > > > > these ones:
> > > > >
> > > > > *WHAT KINDS OF THINGS ARE INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE
> > > LISTSERV?** *The
> > > > > listserv should *not* be used at this time for
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> > > services available
> > > > > from someone else. Please do *not* send updates
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> > > > > your friends, etc only flood mailboxes and
> > > should *not *be done
> > > > > through the listserv. Gender inappropriate or
> > > other references
> > > > > that may be offensive to some groups or
> > > individuals should not be
> > > > > posted, of course.
> > > > > * *Mailing list manners you must mind*: Don't send
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> > > > > tribal and offensive e-mails or postings. * Be
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> > > > > members are real not a cyberspace dunderheads
> > > with no feelings.*
> > > > > Watch your words - We can't see your face, and
> > > the emotions in
> > > > > words can get misinterpreted.* Kick the bad
> > > language - People are
> > > > > listening.* Laws are laws - What's real in the
> > > real world are the
> > > > > same in cyberspace. Be ethical in your posting,
> > > don't lie,
> > > > > plagiarize, or deliberately do harm to another
> > > KICTANet forum user.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > if you repeat these offences we shall ban you from
> > > this list.
> > > > >
> > > > > regards
> > > > >
> > > > > alice munyua
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: The Media is
> > > Not Innocent
> > > > > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:51:59 +0300
> > > > > From: Robert Alai <alai.robert at gmail.com>
> > > > > To: alice at apc.org
> > > > > CC: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > > > > References:
> > > > >
> > >
> > <fb2c60220802130416x356f9e9ap82debaf42c1e8407 at mail.gmail.com>
> > > > > <453375.42402.qm at web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> > > > >
> > >
> > <21ca13ee0802130755if502766jfafb1e0376853656 at mail.gmail.com>
> > > > >
> > >
> > <fb2c60220802140803l3b7d322meef08c0bcd42964c at mail.gmail.com>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Wainaina
> > > > > This is funny. On one hand you are describing how
> > > KTN/Standard did
> > > > > incite the public and ignore the fact that All Royal
> > > Media outlets
> > > > > including RamogiFM, Kameme, and KBC have gone to
> > > become Kikuyu
> > > > > chauvinist and not ready to protect the interest of
> > > Kenya. On another
> > > > > hand you claim ho the current Kenyan problem is
> > > political. *THE PROBLEM
> > > > > IS NOT POLITICAL BUT ETHNIC. *I have just come from a
> > > tour which took me
> > > > > from Tigoni, Juja, Nyeri, Naivasha, Eldoret, Kisumu,
> > > Yala and Busia. I
> > > > > travelled with the IDPs and listened and cried of
> > > what I heard. Kenyans
> > > > > are being denied their rights because they are not
> > > Kikuyu. I have the
> > > > > word of MPs and confirmed with IOM that the
> > > government explicitly
> > > > > informed the Redcross and IOM not to serve some
> > > communities. I have
> > > > > horror tales of women whose husbands were hacked with
> > > pangas inside
> > > > > Tigoni police station and the police couldnt save
> > > because they are not
> > > > > Kikuyu. I have talked to Abbas of IOM of how
> > > different Redcross is
> > > > > treating IDPs. kikuyu IDPs are treated with all care
> > > and others ignored.
> > > > > I personally snatched blankets from Pamela who is the
> > > regional redcross
> > > > > manager in Kisumu when she refused to give them to
> > > mothers and chidren I
> > > > > transported from tigoni and naivasha. I brought 17
> > > buses and called
> > > > > redcross and informed them of my mission. I had a
> > > meeting with Dr Simiyu
> > > > > and Abbas Guled and they agreed to prepare the
> > > ground. After a whole day
> > > > > travel I got redcross not ready and when they saw the
> > > buses is when they
> > > > > started cutting the mbogas and meat. We handed over 4
> > > children whose
> > > > > mother was admitted to Agha khan with serious illness
> > > and redcross took
> > > > > the children to a police station in Siaya.
> > > > > Kenyan problem is tribal and not political. We cannot
> > > have one tribe
> > > > > running roughshod and even the religious leaders from
> > > Kikuyu preaching
> > > > > the Kikuyu superiority. We cannot have one tribe
> > > killing and maiming
> > > > > Kenyans while claiming there is a genocide against
> > > Kikuyus. No Kikuyu
> > > > > was killed in Kisumu. Infact they were protected and
> > > even I have Mwangi,
> > > > > and Kuria who are my friends living and working in
> > > Kisumu even now when
> > > > > they cant work anywhere else. But Kibaki is ordering
> > > NGOs not to serve
> > > > > non Kikuyus. Kikuyus enjoy greater access to loans
> > > and even humanitarian
> > > > > assistance. Go to Kondele in Kisumu where the Kikuyu
> > > IDPs are housed.
> > > > > You will find that there is a bigger difference with
> > > Moi stadium where
> > > > > redcross dont want to even put basic facilities
> > > forcing the local
> > > > > community in Kisumu to house the IDPs at St Stephens.
> > > > > kenyans, these theories of Bitange and Wainaina only
> > > works for the few
> > > > > they serve. Bitange was key in selling 51percent
> > > shares of Telkom Kenya
> > > > > to the french consortium at 26 Billion Ksh. Before
> > > that the government
> > > > > cleared a debt of 69 billion. if 51% shares were sold
> > > at 26 it menas
> > > > > that Telkom Kenya was just worht 52 Billion. Why
> > > settle a debt of 69
> > > > > billion? What is the mathematics here? telkom Kenya
> > > was worthless? Shame
> > > > > on you Bitange. Only people who dont know your inner
> > > dealings will
> > >
> > === message truncated ===
> >
> >
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