I think this is totally uncalled for, unprofessional and gross and am highly ashamed to share this forum with people who would go to such shameless extents. <br><br>Really, I pity Dr Ndemo who has humbled himself enough to be a part of public discussions with the hope that he will be more in touch with the people that he serves.<br>
<br>If people who call themselves professional and educated can go to this extent, then why blame the guy who chops off your head or burns your house at the slightest provocation/excuse?<br><br>Ndegwa<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 18/02/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a></b> <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Dear All,<br>This is unwarranted (below)attack and does not help us to develop a nation<br>called Kenya.<br><br><br>---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------<br>Subject: Re: OHH POLE???-Didn't look like.<br>
From: "Robert Alai" <<a href="mailto:alai.robert@gmail.com">alai.robert@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: Sat, February 16, 2008 8:12 am<br>To: "John Walubengo" <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Cc: "alice" <<a href="mailto:alice@apc.org">alice@apc.org</a>><br> "Washington Odhiambo" <<a href="mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com">odhiambo@gmail.com</a>><br> "eve kictanet" <<a href="mailto:evelyne@kictanet.or.ke">evelyne@kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
"<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>" <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
<br>John<br><br>respect when people are being forcibly circumcised. I worked in the forces<br>and from our own intelligence Kibaki is arming the Kikuyus for a major<br>offensive now. We have pictures and facts about this and videos of<br>
confessions. Kenya cant and wont be the same with the kind of attitude which<br>Bitange is creating while we know that people aare being killed for not<br>being Kikuyus. I dont have two months in forums John. I run kaziafrika<br>
fforum which has more than 5700 active members. I run <a href="http://jamboforums.com">jamboforums.com</a> which<br>iss the public watchdog for Tanzania and has 5 million hits in one month.<br>Jamboforum is credited with revealing the Richmond scandal, Buzwagi scandal,<br>
BOT scandal, and many others. I have experiece of 6 years in UN hostile<br>zones including and not limited to DRC, Rwanda, Burundi and Mozambique.<br><br>Guys dont lick the ass of people like Bitange just because they are PSs. I<br>
personnaly wrote to my former boss who is Ban Ki Moon and sent the pics and<br>also copied the humanitarian head who is Holmes. I believe that Kibaki and<br>his cohorts like Ndemo are buying time to butcher Kenyans. All routes in<br>
Nairobi which matatus operat in have now see the ressurgence of Mungikis in<br>the name of touts. These people are preparing to strike. I have witnessed in<br>one of the routes Mungikis slashing people with razor blades. It a new<br>
attack which is ccoming up. People are now being attacked wwith razor blades<br>and not Pangas as before.<br><br>Guys lets be serrious lakini tafadhalini tusilambe tako la Ndemo.<br><br>Alai<br><br>On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM, John Walubengo <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>> Robert,<br>><br>> I dont know you. You dont know me, but probably by virtue<br>> of being a moderator of the KICTAnet list I have had to<br>> endure your 'tantrums'. I actually dont know how all this<br>
> started but all I can say is that I see you are hurting and<br>> probably you should avoid writing/posting until you get<br>> your cool.<br>><br>> Anger is a bad partner when combined with the written word.<br>
> Infact the things you say are easily forgotten but those<br>> you write remain forever. In my brief online life, I have<br>> learnt never to scribble when am worked up. What I do is<br>> to scribble, save it and review the content 12hrs later.<br>
> Most of the times, I make changes that pass the same<br>> message in a more diplomatic and positive manner.<br>><br>> And that's really what the KICTAnet list is asking of<br>> members. Diplomacy. Try to say things with respect just as<br>
> you would in real life.<br>><br>> walu.<br>> --- Robert Alai <<a href="mailto:alai.robert@gmail.com">alai.robert@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> > Alice<br>> ><br>> > So thats what they taught you in school? Thats what you<br>
> > do at CCK? Hey you<br>> > are simle failure to Kenyans. You believe in solving a<br>> > problem by running<br>> > away from it? Let me teach you abou lists and forums. I<br>> > see your Masters<br>
> > degree is not coming handy here.<br>> ><br>> > Alai<br>> ><br>> > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Robert Alai<br>> > <<a href="mailto:alai.robert@gmail.com">alai.robert@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>> > > Alice<br>> > ><br>> > > Did it touch you? Who again did you warn. Do you see<br>> > like you are cutting<br>> > > my oxygen when you ban me? Ban, kwani? If Wainaina<br>
> > brings politics know that<br>> > > I will answer him politically and threats from you or<br>> > Ndemo wont scare me.<br>> > > Kenyans know the truth and thinking that ogre mentality<br>> > will scare me from<br>
> > > saying what it is as it is then you are in for a<br>> > suprise. By the way how<br>> > > important is KICTANET?<br>> > ><br>> > > Alice, you are just behaving like Michuki who was<br>
> > Bitange's boss. Thinking<br>> > > that killing the messenger will stop people from<br>> > getting the truth. Hell NO.<br>> > > KTN and Standard are more stronger than ever and with<br>
> > or without government<br>> > > lincenses we watch it in Kisumu through sattelite.<br>> > ><br>> > > Shame on you and your stooge, Ndemo.<br>> > ><br>> > > Alai<br>> > > unedited<br>
> > ><br>> > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:27 AM, alice <<a href="mailto:alice@apc.org">alice@apc.org</a>><br>> > wrote:<br>> > ><br>> > > > Dear Robert...<br>> > > ><br>
> > > > This is a warning to you. Respect KICTAnet mailing<br>> > list rules especially<br>> > > > these ones:<br>> > > ><br>> > > > *WHAT KINDS OF THINGS ARE INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE<br>
> > LISTSERV?** *The<br>> > > > listserv should *not* be used at this time for<br>> > personal<br>> > > > advertising of services or the advertisement of<br>> > services available<br>
> > > > from someone else. Please do *not* send updates<br>> > of your addresses<br>> > > > or other personal contact details to the<br>> > listserv. Greetings to<br>> > > > your friends, etc only flood mailboxes and<br>
> > should *not *be done<br>> > > > through the listserv. Gender inappropriate or<br>> > other references<br>> > > > that may be offensive to some groups or<br>> > individuals should not be<br>
> > > > posted, of course.<br>> > > > * *Mailing list manners you must mind*: Don't send<br>> > rude, political,<br>> > > > tribal and offensive e-mails or postings. * Be<br>
> > polite - virtual<br>> > > > members are real not a cyberspace dunderheads<br>> > with no feelings.*<br>> > > > Watch your words - We can't see your face, and<br>> > the emotions in<br>
> > > > words can get misinterpreted.* Kick the bad<br>> > language - People are<br>> > > > listening.* Laws are laws - What's real in the<br>> > real world are the<br>> > > > same in cyberspace. Be ethical in your posting,<br>
> > don't lie,<br>> > > > plagiarize, or deliberately do harm to another<br>> > KICTANet forum user.<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>
> > > > if you repeat these offences we shall ban you from<br>> > this list.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > regards<br>> > > ><br>> > > > alice munyua<br>> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > -------- Original Message --------<br>> > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: The Media is<br>> > Not Innocent<br>> > > > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:51:59 +0300<br>
> > > > From: Robert Alai <<a href="mailto:alai.robert@gmail.com">alai.robert@gmail.com</a>><br>> > > > To: <a href="mailto:alice@apc.org">alice@apc.org</a><br>> > > > CC: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>> > > > References:<br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> <<a href="mailto:fb2c60220802130416x356f9e9ap82debaf42c1e8407@mail.gmail.com">fb2c60220802130416x356f9e9ap82debaf42c1e8407@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
> > > > <<a href="mailto:453375.42402.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com">453375.42402.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com</a>><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> <<a href="mailto:21ca13ee0802130755if502766jfafb1e0376853656@mail.gmail.com">21ca13ee0802130755if502766jfafb1e0376853656@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
> > > ><br>> ><br>> <<a href="mailto:fb2c60220802140803l3b7d322meef08c0bcd42964c@mail.gmail.com">fb2c60220802140803l3b7d322meef08c0bcd42964c@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>> > > > Wainaina<br>> > > > This is funny. On one hand you are describing how<br>> > KTN/Standard did<br>> > > > incite the public and ignore the fact that All Royal<br>
> > Media outlets<br>> > > > including RamogiFM, Kameme, and KBC have gone to<br>> > become Kikuyu<br>> > > > chauvinist and not ready to protect the interest of<br>> > Kenya. On another<br>
> > > > hand you claim ho the current Kenyan problem is<br>> > political. *THE PROBLEM<br>> > > > IS NOT POLITICAL BUT ETHNIC. *I have just come from a<br>> > tour which took me<br>> > > > from Tigoni, Juja, Nyeri, Naivasha, Eldoret, Kisumu,<br>
> > Yala and Busia. I<br>> > > > travelled with the IDPs and listened and cried of<br>> > what I heard. Kenyans<br>> > > > are being denied their rights because they are not<br>> > Kikuyu. I have the<br>
> > > > word of MPs and confirmed with IOM that the<br>> > government explicitly<br>> > > > informed the Redcross and IOM not to serve some<br>> > communities. I have<br>> > > > horror tales of women whose husbands were hacked with<br>
> > pangas inside<br>> > > > Tigoni police station and the police couldnt save<br>> > because they are not<br>> > > > Kikuyu. I have talked to Abbas of IOM of how<br>> > different Redcross is<br>
> > > > treating IDPs. kikuyu IDPs are treated with all care<br>> > and others ignored.<br>> > > > I personally snatched blankets from Pamela who is the<br>> > regional redcross<br>> > > > manager in Kisumu when she refused to give them to<br>
> > mothers and chidren I<br>> > > > transported from tigoni and naivasha. I brought 17<br>> > buses and called<br>> > > > redcross and informed them of my mission. I had a<br>> > meeting with Dr Simiyu<br>
> > > > and Abbas Guled and they agreed to prepare the<br>> > ground. After a whole day<br>> > > > travel I got redcross not ready and when they saw the<br>> > buses is when they<br>> > > > started cutting the mbogas and meat. We handed over 4<br>
> > children whose<br>> > > > mother was admitted to Agha khan with serious illness<br>> > and redcross took<br>> > > > the children to a police station in Siaya.<br>> > > > Kenyan problem is tribal and not political. We cannot<br>
> > have one tribe<br>> > > > running roughshod and even the religious leaders from<br>> > Kikuyu preaching<br>> > > > the Kikuyu superiority. We cannot have one tribe<br>> > killing and maiming<br>
> > > > Kenyans while claiming there is a genocide against<br>> > Kikuyus. No Kikuyu<br>> > > > was killed in Kisumu. Infact they were protected and<br>> > even I have Mwangi,<br>> > > > and Kuria who are my friends living and working in<br>
> > Kisumu even now when<br>> > > > they cant work anywhere else. But Kibaki is ordering<br>> > NGOs not to serve<br>> > > > non Kikuyus. Kikuyus enjoy greater access to loans<br>> > and even humanitarian<br>
> > > > assistance. Go to Kondele in Kisumu where the Kikuyu<br>> > IDPs are housed.<br>> > > > You will find that there is a bigger difference with<br>> > Moi stadium where<br>> > > > redcross dont want to even put basic facilities<br>
> > forcing the local<br>> > > > community in Kisumu to house the IDPs at St Stephens.<br>> > > > kenyans, these theories of Bitange and Wainaina only<br>> > works for the few<br>> > > > they serve. Bitange was key in selling 51percent<br>
> > shares of Telkom Kenya<br>> > > > to the french consortium at 26 Billion Ksh. Before<br>> > that the government<br>> > > > cleared a debt of 69 billion. if 51% shares were sold<br>> > at 26 it menas<br>
> > > > that Telkom Kenya was just worht 52 Billion. Why<br>> > settle a debt of 69<br>> > > > billion? What is the mathematics here? telkom Kenya<br>> > was worthless? Shame<br>> > > > on you Bitange. Only people who dont know your inner<br>
> > dealings will<br>> ><br>> === message truncated ===<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> ____________________________________________________________________________________<br>> Be a better friend, newshound, and<br>
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