[kictanet] Effecting Moderation Flag.

Tue Dec 9 10:05:38 EAT 2008

Loa

This is one of the thought provoking post I think I have seen in this list.
It deviates from the usual mumbo jumbos of IPv4 and IPV6 dreams and
change-overs.

It strikes the chord of local and grassroots involvement in ICT formulation
in the country. It stirs me into thinking beyond the enslaves of KICC
amphitheater and think more of the silent but ever busy farmer in Laikipia
sending MPESA and being conned of none existent prize promises through sms.

The funny thing is that we have never asked for their opinion and I bet The
Wrath of the sages to come down upon me, the ICT bill 2008 didnt give theem
a chance to participate.

Loa, I hear you. I really hear you loud and clear

/Alai

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Lobore Junior <jlobore at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Guys,
>
> I have been going through the very many maqils circulated here and I wish
> to make my remarks today as follows;
>
> a) There must have been loss of focus somwhere in the discussions and I
> suggest for a review of structures governing discussions as envisaged in its
> constitution if any
> b) Matters of representation has been of no concern here. its paradoxical
> learning that ICT issues are being discussed and implemented in Nairobi
> without considering to involve those in the grassroot. ( either divisions or
> District levels) Don't we have have brains there or we care less?
> - Whats your thoights here?
> c) we have been more theoretical than practical, neither realistic may be
> we need to change.
> d) I suggest we change the objective of the forums so that it would include
> all kenyans. Its bad noting that Nairobi is kenya and Nakuru is riftvalley.
>
> Don't you think its the time to change this?
>
> Regards.
>
> Loa Lobore.
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* John Walubengo <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> *To:* jlobore at yahoo.com
> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 8, 2008 11:30:35 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Effecting Moderation Flag.
>
> Alai,
>
> >>Does unearthing the people who are trying to kill the fight against
> ocrruption and muzzle the Kenyan press also amount to Abuse?<<
>
> Unfortunately I dont have a straight answer to the above.  BUT the key
> guidelines are that:
> 1. the topics introduced should revolve around ICT Policy/Activities &
> 2. observe some diplomacy - particularly when addressing the
> 'imagined-guilty" party given that there are always two or more sides of a
> story.
>
> So If someone was to talk about corruption in say the Maize-industry
> members would rule them out of order unless ofcourse one is explaining how
> computers were used in the process :-).
>
> But more seriously, most members are worried about the lack of diplomacy on
> the list. There's a way we can disagree on issues without necessary
> degenerating to our lowest instincts. And this is where the Americans and
> other democracies have beaten us.  Because they are able to present their
> opposing views without necessary boiling down to personality wars. Stay
> civil - today's enemy maybe your tomorrow's friend and vice-versa.
>
> walu.
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Robert Alai <alai.robert at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Robert Alai <alai.robert at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Effecting Moderation Flag.
> > To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 11:55 AM
> > Walu
> >
> > Does unearthing the people who are trying to kill the fight
> > against
> > ocrruption and muzzle the Kenyan press also amount to
> > Abuse?
> >
> > Alai
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:44 AM, John Walubengo
> > <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > I must agree with S. Mwangi.  Last few weeks we have
> > indeed experienced
> > > more brawn than brain exchanges despite repeated
> > appeals for diplomacy.
> > > Furthermore, many have called me offline and emailed
> > me privately on the
> > > need for action intended to reduce e-verbal abuse
> > while increasing fruitful
> > > exchanges.
> > >
> > > In the interest of the wider membership we shall have
> > to put on
> > > "moderation-status"* the next member whose
> > posting contains
> > > abusive/offensive language.  I trust that most will
> > not need a lawyer to
> > > judge what is abusive/offensive but the general rule
> > is that what is abusive
> > > offline (face-2-face) is likely to be considered
> > abusive online in most
> > > cultures.
> > >
> > > walu.
> > > *Moderation Status:-means your posting will be
> > physically censured before
> > > being uploaded/rejected.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 12/6/08, smwngi at gmail.com
> > <smwngi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: smwngi at gmail.com <smwngi at gmail.com>
> > > > Subject: [kictanet]  Moderator please help us!!
> > > > To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> > > > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
> > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > > > Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 3:06 PM
> > > > Good Afternoon KICTANET Moderator.
> > > >      This forum has been very benefital to use
> > when it comes to
> > > > matters and issues of ICT. However, during the
> > last few
> > > > weeks its lost value as most of the comments that
> > are
> > > > flooding our inboxes are witch haunts by a
> > selected few
> > > > individuals. I urge you to filter this from your
> > mailboxs.
> > > > I see majority of subscribers asking removal from
> > your
> > > > mailing list.
> > > >      Am sure you have seen what has happened and
> > I hope you are
> > > > doing something about it.
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Stephen Mwangi
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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