[kictanet] Fwd: SV: [AfrISPA.Discuss] Undersea cableplantangled in acrimony inSouth Africa

Fri Sep 14 12:10:19 EAT 2007

hear, hear my mblatha!

Mblayo

ps. any relationship to Classic's Mwalimu Kingangi?

:-D

On Sep 14, 2007, at 8:46 AM, Ronald King'ang'i wrote:

> I concur lets keep all discussion civilized
>
> King'ang'i
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kictanet-bounces+fes=iconnect.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+fes=iconnect.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke]  
> On Behalf
> Of Alex Gakuru
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:55 PM
> To: fes at iconnect.co.ke
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: SV: [AfrISPA.Discuss] Undersea  
> cableplantangled
> in acrimony inSouth Africa
>
> I know that I am usually hard hitting at my opposition
> discussants, but I am feel expressions used below are
> uncalled for no matter how opposed the writer's view
> is.
>
> --- Joseph Manthi <jmanthi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sean,
>> You of all people, a man living in England, reaping
>> wealth from the
>> ignorance of Africans, should not be making comments
>> like these. You
>> do not want Africans to realize what is going on. Do
>> not wake a
>> sleeping giant. It is high time we started taking
>> care of our own. Why
>> do you think that what SA is doing is "Rubbish"?
>> Doesn't this
>> honourable minister have the right to protect SA
>> assets from nyangaus
>> like you?
>>
>> I wish every African government is like South Africa
>> where we can weed
>> off foreign ownership of African assets.
>>
>> Bravo SA.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On 9/13/07, Sean Moroney <seanm at aitecafrica.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Yes, the security angle struck me as typical
>> Newspeak from a regime that can
>>> get away with rubbish like that where there is no
>> effective opposition. How
>>> like their Apartheid forebears they sound!
>>>
>>> Sean Moroney
>>> Chairman
>>> AITEC Africa
>>> seanm at aitecafrica.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
>>
> kictanet-bounces+seanm=aitecafrica.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>
>>
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+seanm=aitecafrica.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
>> On
>>> Behalf Of Kai Wulff
>>> Sent: 12 September 2007 12:54
>>> To: seanm at aitecafrica.com
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: SV: [AfrISPA.Discuss]
>> Undersea cable
>>> plantangled in acrimony inSouth Africa
>>>
>>> I second that!
>>>
>>> It is comforting to know that SA will provide
>> security to Africa by
>>> insisting on a majority ownership of the cables!
>>>
>>> I am sure this attitude will change once Kenya
>> receives capacity @ less than
>>>
>>> USD 100,- per M ..
>>>
>>> Kai
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>> To: <kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke>
>>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 14:44
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: SV: [AfrISPA.Discuss]
>> Undersea cable plan
>>> tangled in acrimony inSouth Africa
>>>
>>>
>>> I used to have a difficult time explaining to
>> fellow Kenyans that it was
>>> very difficult dealing with our brothers in SA
>> because at every meeting
>>> goal posts kept on shifting.  Perharps now
>> everybody understands that the
>>> veto power in the NEPAD protocol was a control
>> tool.  Below please find
>>> additional material.
>>>
>>> Ndemo.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cables require local ownership BY DAMARIA SENNE &
>> CHRISTELLE DU TOIT
>>> <mailto:damaria at itweb.co.za> [ Johannesburg, 10
>> September 2007 ]
>>>
>>> South Africa requires that all undersea cables
>> landing here be majority
>>> owned by South Africans, says communications
>> Minister Ivy
>>> Matsepe-Casaburri.
>>>
>>> Speaking at the Southern African
>> Telecommunications Networks and
>>> Applications Conference (Satnac) 2007, in
>> Mauritius, this morning,
>>> Matsepe-Casaburri said government was happy with
>> indications that
>>> investors plan to land cables in the country.
>>> However, she will soon announce new landing
>> guidelines that require that
>>> "all cables " landing in SA be majority owned by
>> South Africans, she said.
>>>
>>> The guidelines will also be consistent with SA's
>> foreign policy and take
>>> the security of the country, and the African
>> continent, into
>>> consideration, she said.
>>> "Every cable landing or leaving SA should
>> incorporate in it the Nepad [New
>>> Partnership for Africa's Development] Broadband
>> Infrastructure Network."
>>> Security measures are important, given the state
>> of our insecure world,
>>> she added.
>>>
>>> Matsepe-Casaburri said that she instructed Dep.of
>> Communications
>>> Dir-General Lyndall Shope-Mafole to propose the
>> landing guidelines to the
>>> Interim Inter-Governmental Assembly for
>> discussion. She also noted that
>>> her department studied the communications
>> regulations of other countries
>>> when drafting the landing guidelines, ensuring
>> they are consistent with
>>> international trends.
>>>
>>> Determination expected
>>> BMI-TechKnowledge senior analyst Richard Hurst
>> says the implications of
>>> the ownership stipulations are that "those who do
>> end up rolling out
>>> cables will have to do so via partnerships". He
>> cites Seacom and Neotel's
>>> interaction as an example of this, where "Neotel
>> basically would control
>>> the landing rights of Seacom in SA".
>>> According to Hurst, "government is trying to hedge
>> its bets", but the
>>> stipulations set out by the minister have
>> generally been expected. He says
>>> South African companies should benefit from the
>> directives, as should the
>>> consumer.
>>> "It should open up access to those cables and
>> bring prices down." He adds
>>> that, as the international community moves towards
>> always-on broadband, SA
>>> will also increasingly need high-speed capacity.
>> However he reiterates:
>>> "The more bandwidth we have, the better."
>>>
>>> Investor support
>>> Meanwhile, Matsepe-Casaburri said SA was convinced
>> it was on the right
>>> path to break away from the Eassy (Eastern Africa
>> Submarine Cable System)
>>> cable project and support the Nepad Broadband
>> Infrastructure Network, as
>>> well as initiating its own undersea cable systems.
>>>
>>> She said there was strong support from potential
>> investors in the Nepad
>>> Broadband  (?) Infrastructure Network. "Instead of
>> people running away
>>> from us, we have a lot of support from investors."
>>> SA and other African governments broke away from
>> the Eassy project because
>>> larger operators taking part in the initiative
>> bought such large
>>> quantities of capacity that there would never be
>> fair access for smaller
>>> operators, she noted.
>>>
>>> EASSY project was not in line with the Nepad
>> objective, which was to
>>> facilitate fair and open access for all telecoms
>> providers to lower the
>>> cost of telecoms on the continent, she said. She
>> noted that SA's
>>> Parliament had ratified the Nepad Broadband
>> Infrastructure Network
>>> protocol.
>>>
>>>
>>>> fyi from the AfrISPA discuss list....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>>> From: "Anders Comstedt" <anders at ssvl.kth.se>
>>
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