[kictanet] Faith in local web hosting

robert yawe robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
Wed Nov 28 08:24:02 EAT 2007


End user ---> Telkom ---> ISP ---> KDN --> ISP --> Telkom --> end user

Do the math
 
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
KEnya 
Tel: +254722511225

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From: Kai Wulff <kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke>
To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
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Sent: Monday, 26 November, 2007 1:19:30 PM
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Faith in local web hosting



 
 


Strange!

 

I thought this is what we do since 4 years! A 
Rack Space, good enough for TBs of hosted Webspace is USD 250,- per month. The 
KIXP link is on fiber and international bandwidth can be bought 
separately!

 

Rgds

 

Kai


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  From: 
  Joseph 
  Mucheru 

  To: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke 

  Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy 
  Discussions 

  Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 
  12:29

  Subject: Re: [kictanet] Faith in local 
  web hosting

  

Hi Eric and Washington,

There is another way to look at 
  this. Why is it cheaper overseas? the obvious answer is that bandwidth there 
  is local. In which case the hosting companies are not charged high fees for 
  bandwidth. The infact primarily pay for peering with other networks. In our 
  case we are yet to give hosting companies access  to the IXP. 

One 
  way to solve this is for ISPs to provide an "unbundled" hosting service;
a) 
  Local part $x per MB
b) International part $x per MB
c) Rack Space 
  $x

With such a setup it is much easier for webhosting companies to 
  emerge and be very creative and at the same time compete with international 
  players. This would make the business case better for most hosting business 
  and they would not have to pay the high costs. Right now the high bandwidth 
  cost is still paid for by the consumer since they still have to access the 
  internationally hosted sites via the ISP. 

Joe Mucheru


  
  

    
    
    

    On Nov 26, 2007 7:48 AM, Eric Osiakwan <eric at afrispa.org> 
    wrote:



    
      
      

      
      
      Dear Mr. Washington,

      


      You have stated the obvious which is the challenge but let me try to 
      share some light on how to solve the problem.

      


      It is really a chicken an egg situation, the localhosting business 
      would develop based on demand but like you said demand is relative to 
      cost. 

      


      However in the interest of developing our countries and continent if 
      we all commit to having country code top level domain (in this case .ke) 
      and host them locally, the demand would trigger supply. 

      


      On the other hand if the local entrepreneurs can invest in 
      infrastructure and based on market study provide competitive rates (with 
      the generic TLDs) then again the supply could trigger the demand. 

      


      Having said that, i have noticed something under the sun, which is 
      that for some reason African just dont like using what other Africans 
      produce so in some ways the former strategy would work better if we deal 
      with the attitudinal change.  

      


      Eric here

      



      
      
      

      
      On 26 Nov 2007, at 08:35, Odhiambo Washington 
      wrote:




      
        
        

        
        On Nov 26, 2007 8:03 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

        
          


          Hi all,

          


          I have raised this issue before when I did a 
          search and found out that the

          CCK web site was hosted overseas and thus how 
          can we expect them to monitor

          the service quality levels of the 
ISP's.

          


          On Sunday I visited the Kibaki web site, I 
          experienced unstable audio

          streaming so I decided to find out where the 
          site was hosted, yes you guest

          it overseas.   The other 2 
          presidential candidates web sites are no better

          they are not locally hosted.  
          Is this a reflection of who the targets of

          this web sites are? 

          


          The Kibaki site is developed by one 3Mice, if 
          I remember right, which has

          some association with newly appointed ICT 
          Board Managing Director Kokubo. 

          


          Regards

           Robert Yawe

          KAY System Technologies Ltd

          Phoenix House, 6th Floor

          P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200

          KEnya

        


        It's not the faith the people have in local 
        hosting, but rather the

        cost factor. Last time I looked at this web 
        hosting biz, one company

        was charging KES 1,000+VAT per month, which was 
        what was though to be 

        competitive. Another one entered into the fray 
        with hype about reduced

        costing charges, but I am not sure how much 
        business they managed to

        pick. All the same, their charges did not 
        compare with what is charged

        internationally (I mean in Europe and the 
        US).

        Websites is not something that has caught up 
        with many Kenyans, 

        otherwise the volumes would help sustain such 
        businesses locally.

        I believe the lack of volumes is one of the 
        factors that makes

        entities like 3Mice to host overseas. Top-notch 
        Kenyan techies have

        been hosting their Blog with blogspot 
        (overseas). Bandwidth costs is

        another. In Europe and the US, individuals can 
        afford to connect 

        10MBps in their kitchens while in Kenya, that 
        kind of bandwidth can

        only be purchased by ISPs.

        One last question though: Do you know any 
        reliable webhosting company 

        that hosts it's websites locally, and has 
        reliable and efficient

        access to those websites? If there is one, they 
        are not marketing

        themselves enough.

        


        


        


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        Odhiambo WASHINGTON,

        Nairobi,KE

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