<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br>End user ---> Telkom ---> ISP ---> KDN --> ISP --> Telkom --> end user<br><br>Do the math<br><div> </div>Robert Yawe<br>KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>KEnya<div> </div><div>Tel: +254722511225<div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Kai Wulff <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke><br>To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<br>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br>Sent: Monday, 26 November, 2007 1:19:30 PM<br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Faith in local web hosting<br><br>
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<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">Strange!</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">I thought this is what we do since 4 years! A
Rack Space, good enough for TBs of hosted Webspace is USD 250,- per month. The
KIXP link is on fiber and international bandwidth can be bought
separately!</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">Rgds</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">Kai</font></div>
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<a rel="nofollow" title="mucheru@google.com" ymailto="mailto:mucheru@google.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mucheru@google.com">Joseph
Mucheru</a> </div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 26, 2007
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web hosting</div>
<div><br></div>Hi Eric and Washington,<br><br>There is another way to look at
this. Why is it cheaper overseas? the obvious answer is that bandwidth there
is local. In which case the hosting companies are not charged high fees for
bandwidth. The infact primarily pay for peering with other networks. In our
case we are yet to give hosting companies access to the IXP. <br><br>One
way to solve this is for ISPs to provide an "unbundled" hosting service;<br>a)
Local part $x per MB<br>b) International part $x per MB<br>c) Rack Space
$x<br><br>With such a setup it is much easier for webhosting companies to
emerge and be very creative and at the same time compete with international
players. This would make the business case better for most hosting business
and they would not have to pay the high costs. Right now the high bandwidth
cost is still paid for by the consumer since they still have to access the
internationally hosted sites via the ISP. <br><br>Joe Mucheru<br><br>
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<div class="Wj3C7c">On Nov 26, 2007 7:48 AM, Eric Osiakwan <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:eric@afrispa.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:eric@afrispa.org">eric@afrispa.org</a>>
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<div>Dear Mr. Washington,</div>
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<div>You have stated the obvious which is the challenge but let me try to
share some light on how to solve the problem.</div>
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<div>It is really a chicken an egg situation, the localhosting business
would develop based on demand but like you said demand is relative to
cost. </div>
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<div>However in the interest of developing our countries and continent if
we all commit to having country code top level domain (in this case .ke)
and host them locally, the demand would trigger supply. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>On the other hand if the local entrepreneurs can invest in
infrastructure and based on market study provide competitive rates (with
the generic TLDs) then again the supply could trigger the demand. </div>
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<div>Having said that, i have noticed something under the sun, which is
that for some reason African just dont like using what other Africans
produce so in some ways the former strategy would work better if we deal
with the attitudinal change. </div>
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<div>Eric here</div>
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<div>On 26 Nov 2007, at 08:35, Odhiambo Washington
wrote:</div><br></div></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px;">On Nov 26, 2007 8:03 AM, robert yawe <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin: 0px;">Hi all,</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">I have raised this issue before when I did a
search and found out that the</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">CCK web site was hosted overseas and thus how
can we expect them to monitor</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">the service quality levels of the
ISP's.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">On Sunday I visited the Kibaki web site, I
experienced unstable audio</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">streaming so I decided to find out where the
site was hosted, yes you guest</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">it overseas. <span> </span>The other 2
presidential candidates web sites are no better</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">they are not locally hosted.<span>
</span>Is this a reflection of who the targets of</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">this web sites are? </div>
<div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">The Kibaki site is developed by one 3Mice, if
I remember right, which has</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">some association with newly appointed ICT
Board Managing Director Kokubo. </div>
<div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">Regards</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;"><span> </span>Robert Yawe</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">KAY System Technologies Ltd</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">Phoenix House, 6th Floor</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">KEnya</div></blockquote>
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<div style="margin: 0px;">It's not the faith the people have in local
hosting, but rather the</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">cost factor. Last time I looked at this web
hosting biz, one company</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">was charging KES 1,000+VAT per month, which was
what was though to be </div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">competitive. Another one entered into the fray
with hype about reduced</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">costing charges, but I am not sure how much
business they managed to</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">pick. All the same, their charges did not
compare with what is charged</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">internationally (I mean in Europe and the
US).</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">Websites is not something that has caught up
with many Kenyans, </div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">otherwise the volumes would help sustain such
businesses locally.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">I believe the lack of volumes is one of the
factors that makes</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">entities like 3Mice to host overseas. Top-notch
Kenyan techies have</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">been hosting their Blog with blogspot
(overseas). Bandwidth costs is</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">another. In Europe and the US, individuals can
afford to connect </div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">10MBps in their kitchens while in Kenya, that
kind of bandwidth can</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">only be purchased by ISPs.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">One last question though: Do you know any
reliable webhosting company </div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">that hosts it's websites locally, and has
reliable and efficient</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">access to those websites? If there is one, they
are not marketing</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">themselves enough.</div>
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<div style="margin: 0px;">--<span> </span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">Best regards,</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">Odhiambo WASHINGTON,</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">Nairobi,KE</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">+254733744121/+254722743223</div>
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