[kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0

charles nduati charlesnduati2002 at yahoo.co.uk
Tue Apr 17 12:53:00 EAT 2012


Hi Listers,


As a founder Director of KICTANET,  I  congratulate all of you for this contributions because they truly warm our hearts to know that we have somehow achieved our vision. 


Robert, let me tell you, you don't know how many times  I quote you the way also my  mother quotes the announcers in the vernacular radio stations as if she is quoting from the bible even though she has never called in to the radio show discussions. 


As for those who are proposing revamping, I will say like the incoming World bank president, coming from medicine field he only administers medicine that he has evidence it works and its safe.

Show me your evidence for your prescription and I am with you.

Charles Nduati


 
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________________________________
 From: Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
To: charlesnduati2002 at yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke 
Sent: Monday, 16 April 2012, 13:54
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
 

@Gilda,

the ball is actually in EACH of our courts.  I am also humbled by the former PS Murage's testimony.  Think about it, this guy was for along time the President's Strategy Advisor - perhaps KICTAnet has had policy impact from the highest levels of this land (we all deserve some some consultancy fee from Govt ;-).

But am sure we can make even bigger strides as get more feedback from the membership.  I assume GG is moderating, based on her recent summary.  Keep the conversation going.

walu. 

--- On Mon, 4/16/12, Gilda Odera <godera at skyweb.co.ke> wrote:


>From: Gilda Odera <godera at skyweb.co.ke>
>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
>To:
 jwalu at yahoo.com
>Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 11:59 AM
>
>
>  
>Joe,
> 
>I like your suggestion. I agree- let us look at the 
next 10 years, review where we are, evaluate any shortfalls and come up with 
possible suggestions. We have evolved but we could be further. As Brian 
mentioned, this can be taken to the higher level once determined.I'd like 
to see more than 10 companies winning global competitions (why not?), lower 
Internet rates with greater speeds, many more innovations (because we have what 
it takes). My take is that we can do much more- let us up our game.
>Walu, ball in your court, let us get this 
going.
> 
>Kind regards,
> 
>Gilda
>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Joseph  Mucheru 
>>To: godera at skyweb.co.ke 
>>Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke 
>>Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:42  AM
>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive..  kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
>>
>>Harry/Gilda Et all, 
>>
>>
>>Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the country have  moved to a different stage in the development of the ICT sector. In the past  we came together because there were major issues we needed to deal with. The  face 2 face was even important to ensure we framed the issues well for the  stakeholders.
>>	* We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one) 
>>	* The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates are low) 
>>	* We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally (mpesa) 
>>	* iHub and other open community spaces are doing well - look at the mlab Content and other funding (Billions of  shillings) 
>>	* John Waibochi is winning global competitions with virtual city 
>>	* Cables landed - 4G and evolving 
>>	* etc .... 
>>	* We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) - But we know there  are qualified people dealing with them amongst others 
>>Am not saying  things are perfect, only that we have not identified  an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally everyone around. Konza is a  great but most people I have talked to are not clear how to engage (yet they  do not want to be left out).
>>
>>
>>May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of Kenya's ICT  sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all think Kenya's ICT sector  will/can look like in next 10 years.
>>
>>
>>This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing today and how  we can impact that vision of tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>
>>My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a suitable framework  and what we need is to move to the next level
>>
>>
>>On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
>>
>>Thanks  so much Gilda.
>>> 
>>>Actually,  therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have?  How to spur on such a huge base as
>>>per  Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit  of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here
>>>on  the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being  informative & Educative.
>>> 
>>>Secondly,  as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation  & conclusions is at its best, we
>>>unfortunately  do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision  makers – effectively influencing 
>>>policy.  How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for  PhD students out of the Kictanet
>>>repositories..  Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. 
>>> 
>>>That  is Kictanet..
>>> 
>>>Harry
>>> 
>>> 
>>>From:Gilda Odera  [mailto:godera at skyweb.co.ke] 
>>>Sent: Friday, April 13,  2012 5:26 PM
>>>
>>>To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>>>Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>Subject: Re:  [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet  2.0
>>> 
>>>Hi Harry,
>>> 
>>>I am not too sure  the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding  really!:)
>>>Those who feel  strongly about something tend to drop a line.
>>>I don't even  think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base  you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but  picking a lot.
>>> 
>>>How to make it  more interactive?
>>>My suspicion is  that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate  and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch  off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing  out on some interesting discussions in  between.
>>>I think those who  have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither  here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read  all the threads.
>>>Maybe on each  topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an  opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line  would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just  wondering.
>>>Glad to read PS  Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. 
>>>.
>>> 
>>>Gilda  Odera
>>>----- Original  Message ----- 
>>>>From:Harry Delano 
>>>>To:'Gilda Odera' 
>>>>Cc:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke 
>>>>Sent:Friday, April  13, 2012 4:38 PM
>>>>Subject:RE: [kictanet]  Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet  2.0
>>>> 
>>>>Thanks  so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own  observation perhaps, how can we make 
>>>>it  more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it  be we need to make the environment a little 
>>>>bit  more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough?  My observation  is the sisters are usually too silent. How
>>>>do  we empower..?
>>>> 
>>>>Secondly  I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally (  through representation) engaged a number
>>>>of  players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape  ICT policy. There have been positive results
>>>>from  those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..?  Any idea..?
>>>> 
>>>>This  is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was  formed with the express objective to engage 
>>>>on  a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its  history as now that we need to engage more, 
>>>>and  do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would  be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber
>>>>security,  just to name a few… or..?
>>>> 
>>>>Harry
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>From:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera
>>>>Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08  PM
>>>>To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>>>>Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>>Subject: Re:  [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet  2.0
>>>> 
>>>>Grace,
>>>> 
>>>>I think  it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to  you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their  opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of  being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be  going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment  quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close  to.
>>>>I  imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged  in the country that could be changed if people came out and  voiced their opinions. But the few who write  must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they  are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about  change.  
>>>>My  thoughts. 
>>>> 
>>>>Regards,
>>>> 
>>>>Gilda
>>>>  
>>>>-----  Original Message ----- 
>>>>>From:Grace Githaiga 
>>>>>To:godera at skyweb.co.ke 
>>>>>Cc:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke 
>>>>>Sent:Friday,  April 13, 2012 3:36 PM
>>>>>Subject:RE:  [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet  2.0
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>Spot on 
        Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why 
        they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from 
        the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for 
        more participation? I have for example received 
        comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my 
        question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the 
        very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen 
        the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>On another  note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on  mainstream media, as well as on social  media. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>Ben Akoh, we  look forward to reading the findings of your  research. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>Lets keep  this debate live! It is very useful.
>>>>> 
>>>>>Rgds
>>>>>GG
>>>>>
>>>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>If 
        you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is 
        all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go 
        forth and rule the World!
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> 
>>>>>From: godera at skyweb.co.ke
>>>>>Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 
        +0300
>>>>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into 
        KICTAnet 2.0
>>>>>CC: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>>>To: ggithaiga at hotmail.com
>>>>>Long live  Kictanet- as far as I am concerned.
>>>>> 
>>>>>Listers,
>>>>> 
>>>>>I think we  need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the  very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening.  That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor  is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively  participating.
>>>>>Personally,  I am quite happy with the forum.  And there has been so much to  learn and listen to in the various debates- very  useful.
>>>>> 
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>>Gilda  Odera
>>>>>-----  Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>From:Walubengo J 
>>>>>>To:godera at skyweb.co.ke 
>>>>>>Cc:KICTAnet ICT  Policy Discussions 
>>>>>>Sent:Friday,  April 13, 2012 12:04 PM
>>>>>>Subject:Re:  [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet  2.0
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is a powerful 
                testimony.  I do also know of a PhD student whose core 
                dataset is the KICTAnet archives.   And others who got 
                jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts.  I think 
                these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the 
                "horses" mouth...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>However, on the flip-side, I think we 
                should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as 
                it were - so that we can improve going 
                forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>walu.
>>>>>>nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the 
                subject to include KICTAnet 2.0
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--- On Fri, 4/13/12,  Ben Akoh <me at benakoh.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>From: Ben 
                Akoh <me at benakoh.com>
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] 
                Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
>>>>>>To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>>>>>>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy 
                Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>>>Date: 
                Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM
>>>>>>Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My name is Ben Akoh and I am 
                one of many lurkers on this list, and on many
>>>>>>others. I am 
                not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I 
                will
>>>>>>be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, 
                and have very
>>>>>>good friends there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I participated in 
                one of the earlier public forums that helped to 
                shape
>>>>>>Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber 
                initiatives to which you and
>>>>>>most of us now enjoy: directly 
                when we visit the country, and indirectly
>>>>>>when we interact 
                with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the
>>>>>>way 
                for how public consultation can shape future growth and 
                development.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My comments are along three lines:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. 
                The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad 
                thing.
>>>>>>Some of us continue to benefit from this list and 
                learn good practices
>>>>>>that inform public policy in many other 
                areas. For instance, the Kictanet
>>>>>>model is replicated across 
                several national discussion lists in West
>>>>>>Africa and have 
                been suggested as a useful model for public consultation
>>>>>>on 
                policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good 
                dialogues
>>>>>>that emanate from this group in other forums beyond 
                yours. See this as
>>>>>>Kenya's export to the knowledge and 
                information economy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways 
                through which this forum would become
>>>>>>more relevant is also 
                not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads 
                to
>>>>>>improvement. The day that every member of this group 
                thinks that the list
>>>>>>has arrived (group think), is the day it 
                begins to slowly die a death.
>>>>>>Thus, a constant review, as 
                someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial
>>>>>>objectives is a 
                good starting point; documenting its progress over the
>>>>>>years 
                through careful research (as another person mentioned) is 
                also
>>>>>>important. But significant consideration should be given 
                to the  medium of
>>>>>>delivery and how this is relevant to 
                the context of the times. "The medium
>>>>>>is the message" 
                (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to 
                the
>>>>>>demands of the time. Considerations should be given to 
                those for whom
>>>>>>policy is deliberated but who do not have 
                access to deliberate in its
>>>>>>present form.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>3. Kicktanet 
                is one of several model that works: I am currently 
                finalizing
>>>>>>a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that 
                have worked for
>>>>>>generating evidence and for seeking consent 
                of those whom policy will
>>>>>>affect using case studies of good 
                practice models implemented  across the
>>>>>>world. Kictanet 
                and this discussion list is featured prominently as one 
                of
>>>>>>them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it 
                has been
>>>>>>published.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In sum, all these go to say 
                that:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active 
                members.
>>>>>>2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to 
                shaping policy and
>>>>>>policy consultation beyond its 
                borders.
>>>>>>3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context 
                of communication
>>>>>>technologies, and cater to the local context 
                as well as the growing needs
>>>>>>of its audience - present and 
                future. It should therefore be shaped
>>>>>>accordingly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My 
                two bob.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ben
>>>>>>A lurker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, April 12, 
                2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote:
>>>>>>> Now that we have to 
                weigh in, I think this is an important list that it
>>>>>>> 
                serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then 
                it means
>>>>>>> that everyone is happy, which is not a bad 
                thing. When its active, it
>>>>>>> means
>>>>>>> that people 
                have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air 
                their
>>>>>>> concerns and opinion relating to the 
                industry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for the lurkers, they are also good 
                to have. As someone said, one will
>>>>>>> always speak out when 
                their area of interest is mentioned and they have an
>>>>>>> 
                opinion to share.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> 
                Evans
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry 
                Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>
>>>>>>> 
                wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now we talking. Please if you happen 
                to be on this list, but presently
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> 
                “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have 
                learnt),****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> please realize you owe it 
                to this noble forum, started by noble people,
>>>>>>>> with 
                noble ideas at least in a way to leave 
                some****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                mark…****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and 
                make a
>>>>>>>> mark in this land and beyond that we can 
                believe ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in. Have looked around, do 
                not see any other forum with such
>>>>>>>> 
                broad/diverse
>>>>>>>> 
                membership.****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** 
                **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let’s keep the ideas coming 
                in..****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                Harry****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>>>>>> 
                [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke]  *On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Harry Hare
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 
                Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *To:* harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>>>>>>>> *Cc:* 
                KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: 
                [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into 
                the
>>>>>>>> dustbin...!****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** 
                **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey all, there is a strategy document 
                floating somewhere. I think this
>>>>>>>> could be a good 
                place to start – see what has been achieved, what 
                fell
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> the way side, identify what is 
                still relevant, plug in new ideas and
>>>>>>>> strengthen the 
                network. KICTANet should never be allowed to 
                "kick".****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Harry 
                Hare****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                Director****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> African eDevelopment 
                Resource Centre****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PO Box 49475 
                00100****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nairobi, 
                Kenya****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tel +254 20  4041646****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cel +254 725  650044****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** 
                **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From: 
                *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> *Date: *Thu, 
                12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300
>>>>>>>> *To: *Harry Hare <harry at africanedevelopment.org>
>>>>>>>> 
                *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>>>>> 
                *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked 
                into the
>>>>>>>> dustbin...!****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** 
                **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If we go back to early discussions 
                about the multi-stakeholder network
>>>>>>>> known as 
                KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the 
                mailing
>>>>>>>> list participants, and those stakeholders 
                who would actively engage in
>>>>>>>> KICTAnet 
                "activities".****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** 
                **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My take is that since there have been 
                no "activities" as such - the
>>>>>>>> feeling is that 
                KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from
>>>>>>>> 
                @Harry.****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** 
                **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I remember there used to be monthly 
                face-to-face meetings which followed
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> 
                particular topic or theme of interest and served as an 
                opportunity for
>>>>>>>> participants from the various 
                networks to meet within the context of the
>>>>>>>> "network 
                of networks". At the time there was program funding from 
                donor
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> cover costs of those meetings, 
                this has presumably, run out. Which leads
>>>>>>>> 
                me
>>>>>>>> to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least 
                for these gatherings? As
>>>>>>>> they will give a greater 
                element of traction to the organization while
>>>>>>>> 
                ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the 
                sector.
>>>>>>>> Especially
>>>>>>>> as the melting pot 
                for policy debate.****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** 
                **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best 
                regards,****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** 
                **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brian****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** 
                **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, 
                Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> 
                wrote:****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds 
                of
>>>>>>>> Media,
>>>>>>>> Academia, Govt, Regulator, 
                Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless).  But as you
>>>>>>>> 
                noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only 
                mode.  That is
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> reason I thought 
                we needed new thinking and new 
                approaches...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                walu.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph 
                Mucheru <mucheru at google.com>*  wrote:****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Joseph 
                Mucheru <mucheru at google.com>****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into 
                the
>>>>>>>> dustbin...!
>>>>>>>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT 
                Policy Discussions"
>>>>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 
                PM****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I 
                am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the 
                latest
>>>>>>>> collaboration technologies 
                "Google
>>>>>>>> Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>"
>>>>>>>> 
                I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we 
                need to
>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>> representative forum that 
                allows for that to take place. @Brian you know
>>>>>>>> many 
                participant on this list are in read only 
                mode.****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of 
                people
>>>>>>>> actively subscribed to the list? Not the 
                names but the number. This will
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> a 
                good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess 
                work.****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                Thanks****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                Joe****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 
                Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau
>>>>>>>> 
                <solo.mburu at gmail.com<http://mc/[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>> 
                wrote:****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe
>>>>>>>> <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>> 
                wrote:****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                Harry,****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation 
                hate
>>>>>>>> records and prefer platforms like twitter and 
                facebook.****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** 
                **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The responsibility for keeping the 
                forum active remains with those over
>>>>>>>> 35
>>>>>>>> 
                year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the 
                younger
>>>>>>>> crowd.***
>>>>>>>> 
                *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> uuummmmm 
                is there a way out of this 
                loop.^C****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm below 35, 
                but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook 
                and
>>>>>>>> twitter
>>>>>>>>  
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                Regards ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert Yawe
>>>>>>>> KAY System 
                Technologies Ltd
>>>>>>>> Phoenix House, 6th 
                Floor
>>>>>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>>>>>>> 
                Kenya****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tel: +254722511225begin_of_the_skype_highlighting            +254722511225      end_of_the_skype_highlighting, +254202010696begin_of_the_skype_highlighting            +254202010696      end_of_the_skype_highlighting****
>>>>>>>> 
                ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* 
                Harry Delano
>>>>>>>> <harry at comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> 
                >
>>>>>>>> *To:* robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
>>>>>>>> <http://mc/[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> 
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy 
                Discussions'
>>>>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>> 
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 
                13:55****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: 
                [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into 
                the
>>>>>>>> dustbin...!****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** 
                **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                Ara..!****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not many people seriously want to 
                rejuvenate this forum, as per
>>>>>>>> Brian/Walubengo’s 
                suggestion…?****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cannot imagine the forum becoming a 
                good case study one day for some
>>>>>>>> thesis student. 
                Whose research titles among others:-****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                ·         “How-to-kill a good 
                forum, kick it into the dustbin and
>>>>>>>> 
                leave
>>>>>>>> it for the dead” ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                ·         “The rise and rise, and 
                fall and fall of a myriad of many
>>>>>>>> ICT
>>>>>>>> 
                forums in Kenya, the major one 
                being….****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ·      
                   “How-not-to build structural resilience and 
                offer strategic
>>>>>>>> leadership”. Why the big forum went 
                M.I.A, and petered out..****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ·  
                       And the final one perhaps, “ Do 
                not repeat the mistakes
>>>>>>>> listed
>>>>>>>> above, 
                time for a RESET..”!****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Certainly, unless otherwise – we 
                might be headed for such a case
>>>>>>>> study.
>>>>>>>> 
                Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in 
                case..!****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                Harry****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                *From:*
>>>>>>>> kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>[mailto:
>>>>>>>> 
                kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>=
>>>>>>>> comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>]
>>>>>>>> 
                *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 
                April 12, 2012 12:50 AM
>>>>>>>> *To:* harry at comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> 
                *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: 
                [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into 
                the
>>>>>>>> dustbin...!****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think Walu is on the right track. 
                Every organisation for-profit or
>>>>>>>> not,
>>>>>>>> 
                has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and 
                thrust
>>>>>>>> periodically or risk falling into the 
                shadows.****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is it time for KICTAnet to do 
                so?****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As one of the founders and a 
                trustee I think that the time has 
                come.****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My 2 
                shillings,****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brian****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J
>>>>>>>> <jwalu at yahoo.com<http://mc/[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>> 
                wrote:****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                @Wash,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe Delano is insinuating 
                something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to
>>>>>>>> 
                re-juvinate
>>>>>>>> and re-energize. Bring in new blood and 
                thinking. What do we want from
>>>>>>>> KICTAnet, 8yrs later? 
                What management structures, membership structures,
>>>>>>>> 
                operational, financial structures do we want to see going 
                forward?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps a brainstorming 
                face2face session is due. I for one have been
>>>>>>>> 
                the
>>>>>>>> moderator since inception and maybe someone else 
                can do a better job and
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> just have not 
                asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could 
                have
>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>> out of ideas or some younger 
                dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be
>>>>>>>> 
                sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never 
                imagined...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just my 
                2pings.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> walu.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington
>>>>>>>> <odhiambo at gmail.com<http://mc/[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> 
                >* wrote:****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: 
                Odhiambo Washington
>>>>>>>> <odhiambo at gmail.com<http://mc/[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> 
                >
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. 
                kickin, or kicked into the
>>>>>>>> dustbin...!
>>>>>>>> 
                To: jwalu at yahoo.com <http://mc/[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> 
                Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
>>>>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> 
                >
>>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 
                PM****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano
>>>>>>>> <harry at comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>> 
                wrote:****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m not sure which is which, 
                until I see some response on whether we
>>>>>>>> 
                might
>>>>>>>> just as well happen to be drifting along 
                rudderless…!!****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You mean the 
                post-Easter stupor, or??
>>>>>>>>  
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Best 
                regards,
>>>>>>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
>>>>>>>> 
                Nairobi,KE
>>>>>>>> +254733744121/+254722743223begin_of_the_skype_highlighting            +254722743223      end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>>>>>>>> 
                _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
>>>>>>>> I 
                can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
>>>>>>>> [image: 
                cid:image001.png at 01CD18CB.53049790]Please consider 
                the
>>>>>>>> environment before printing this email. 
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder 
                platform
>>>>>>>> for people and institutions interested and 
                involved in ICT policy and
>>>>>>>> regulation. The network 
                aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>>>>>>> 
                sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth 
                and
>>>>>>>> development.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable 
                behaviors
>>>>>>>> online that you follow in real life: 
                respect people's times and
>>>>>>>> bandwidth,
>>>>>>>> 
                share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect 
                privacy,
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> not spam, do not market your 
                wares or qualifications.****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder 
                platform
>>>>>>>> for people and institutions interested and 
                involved in ICT policy and
>>>>>>>> regulation. The network 
                aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>>>>>>> 
                sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth 
                and
>>>>>>>> development.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable 
                behaviors
>>>>>>>> online that you follow in real life: 
                respect people's times and
>>>>>>>> bandwidth,
>>>>>>>> 
                share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect 
                privacy,
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> not spam, do not market your 
                wares or 
                qualifications.****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                -- ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brian Munyao 
                Longwe****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> e-mail: blongwe at gmail.com <http://mc/[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> 
                cell:  +254715964281begin_of_the_skype_highlighting            +254715964281      end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>>>>>>>> 
                blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>> 
                meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Give us clear vision that we may 
                know where to stand and what to stand
>>>>>>>> for, because 
                unless we stand for something, we shall fall for
>>>>>>>> 
                anything."**
>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Kenya 
                ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder 
                platform
>>>>>>>> for people and institutions interested and 
                involved in ICT policy and
>>>>>>>> regulation. The network 
                aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>>>>>>> 
                sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth 
                and
>>>>>>>> development.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable 
                behaviors
>>>>>>>> online that you follow in real life: 
                respect people's times and
>>>>>>>> bandwidth,
>>>>>>>> 
                share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect 
                privacy,
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> not spam, do not market your 
                wares or qualifications.****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Kenya 
                ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder 
                platform
>>>>>>>> for people and institutions interested and 
                involved in ICT policy and
>>>>>>>> regulation. The network 
                aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>>>>>>> 
                sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth 
                and
>>>>>>>> development.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable 
                behaviors
>>>>>>>> online that you follow in real life: 
                respect people's times and
>>>>>>>> bandwidth,
>>>>>>>> 
                share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect 
                privacy,
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> not spam, do not market your 
                wares or 
                qualifications.****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
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                platform
>>>>>>>> for people and institutions interested and 
                involved in ICT policy and
>>>>>>>> regulation. The network 
                aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>>>>>>> 
                sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth 
                and
>>>>>>>> development.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable 
                behaviors
>>>>>>>> online that you follow in real life: 
                respect people's times and
>>>>>>>> bandwidth,
>>>>>>>> 
                share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect 
                privacy,
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> not spam, do not market your 
                wares or 
                qualifications.****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                --
>>>>>>>> Joe Mũcherũ
>>>>>>>> Regional Lead, 
                Sub-Saharan Africa
>>>>>>>> Google Kenya
>>>>>>>> 7th 
                Floor, Purshottam Place
>>>>>>>> Westlands Road
>>>>>>>> P 
                O Box 66217 - 00800 Westlands
>>>>>>>> Nairobi,
>>>>>>>> 
                KENYA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +254 20 360 1701begin_of_the_skype_highlighting            +254 20 360  1701      end_of_the_skype_highlighting Office
>>>>>>>> +254 20 360 1100 Fax
>>>>>>>> +254 20 360  1000begin_of_the_skype_highlighting            +254 20 360  1000      end_of_the_skype_highlighting Switch Board (Regus)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +254 722522135begin_of_the_skype_highlighting            +254  722522135      end_of_the_skype_highlighting Mobile
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> communication by mistake, please don't 
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>>>>>>>> the wrong person.  
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder 
                platform
>>>>>>>> for people and institutions interested and 
                involved in ICT policy and
>>>>>>>> regulation. The network 
                aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>>>>>>> 
                sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth 
                and
>>>>>>>> development.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable 
                behaviors
>>>>>>>> online that you follow in real life: 
                respect people's times and
>>>>>>>> bandwidth,
>>>>>>>> 
                share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect 
                privacy,
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> not spam, do not market your 
                wares or qualifications.****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>>>>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder 
                platform
>>>>>>>> for people and institutions interested and 
                involved in ICT policy and
>>>>>>>> regulation. The network 
                aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>>>>>>> 
                sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth 
                and
>>>>>>>> development.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable 
                behaviors
>>>>>>>> online that you follow in real life: 
                respect people's times and
>>>>>>>> bandwidth,
>>>>>>>> 
                share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect 
                privacy,
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> not spam, do not market your 
                wares or 
                qualifications.****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- 
                ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brian Munyao 
                Longwe****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> e-mail: blongwe at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> cell:  +254715964281begin_of_the_skype_highlighting            +254715964281      end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>>>>>>>> 
                blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>> 
                meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Give us clear vision that we may 
                know where to stand and what to stand
>>>>>>>> for, because 
                unless we stand for something, we shall fall for
>>>>>>>> 
                anything."**
>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** 
                **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing 
                list
>>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>>>>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or
>>>>>>>> change your options at
>>>>>>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry%40africanedevelopment.orgThe
>>>>>>>> 
                Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder 
                platform for
>>>>>>>> people and institutions interested and 
                involved in ICT policy and
>>>>>>>> regulation. The network 
                aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>>>>>>> 
                sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth 
                and
>>>>>>>> development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the 
                same standards of
>>>>>>>> acceptable
>>>>>>>> behaviors 
                online that you follow in real life: respect people's 
                times
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> bandwidth, share knowledge, 
                don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect
>>>>>>>> 
                privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or 
                qualifications.****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>>>>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder 
                platform
>>>>>>>> for people and institutions interested and 
                involved in ICT policy and
>>>>>>>> regulation. The network 
                aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>>>>>>> 
                sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth 
                and
>>>>>>>> development.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
                KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable 
                behaviors
>>>>>>>> online that you follow in real life: 
                respect people's times and
>>>>>>>> bandwidth,
>>>>>>>> 
                share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect 
                privacy,
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> not spam, do not market your 
                wares or qualifications.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
                _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> kictanet 
                mailing list
>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>>>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
                The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder 
                platform
>>>>>>> for people and institutions interested and 
                involved in ICT policy and
>>>>>>> regulation. The network aims 
                to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>>>>>> sector in 
                support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
>>>>>>> 
                development.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the 
                same standards of acceptable behaviors
>>>>>>> online that you 
                follow in real life: respect people's times and 
                bandwidth,
>>>>>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or 
                personalize, respect privacy, do
>>>>>>> not spam, do not market 
                your wares or qualifications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-- 
>>>>>>Ben Akoh
>>>>>>p: +221-77-638-6477begin_of_the_skype_highlighting            +221-77-638-6477      end_of_the_skype_highlighting (Senegal)
>>>>>>p: +1204-960-6147begin_of_the_skype_highlighting            +1204-960-6147      end_of_the_skype_highlighting (Canada)
>>>>>>e: me at benakoh.com
>>>>>>skype: benakoh
>>>>>>blog: http://benakoh.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>kictanet 
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>The 
                Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder 
                platform for people and institutions interested and involved in 
                ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst 
                for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of 
                ICT enabled growth and development.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>KICTANetiquette : 
                Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that 
                you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, 
                share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect 
                privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or 
                qualifications. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>kictanet 
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>>>>>>The 
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          for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and 
          regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the 
          ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and 
          development.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of 
          acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect 
          people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or 
          personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or 
          qualifications.
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________ 
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>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>The 
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    people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and 
    regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT 
    sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and 
    development.
>>>
>>>KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of 
    acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's 
    times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, 
    respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or 
  qualifications.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Joe Mũcherũ
>>Regional Lead, Sub-Saharan 
  Africa
>>Google Kenya
>>7th Floor, Purshottam Place
>>Westlands Road
>>P O 
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