[kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
Samuel Gichuru
gichuru at gmail.com
Tue Apr 27 09:50:58 EAT 2010
Andrea, I stand corrected but I think the Ban of DSTV is definitely an ICT
issue more than it is a constitution issue...
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Andrea Bohnstedt <
andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
> Good morning all,
>
> I don't really see how this is related to the content of the proposed
> constitution (and I think there are mechanisms to deal with such an
> attempted ban on TV watching in the current constitution).
>
> More importantly, it's not really an ICT issue, no?
>
> Have a lovely day,
> Andrea
>
> On 27 April 2010 09:30, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> At the risk of getting OT:
>>
>> I believe the constitution should be based on facts and not beliefs. If
>> Christians have their own belief on abortion, let them handle it at their
>> own expense and effort in the church, and if the Muslims have their own
>> beliefs on Marriage, divorse, etc, let them handle it...
>>
>> This 10 mile strip argument should be laid to rest. I doubt Kenyan Muslims
>> would disassociate themselves with the rest of Kenya and move to the 10 mile
>> strip so that they can practise the 'minor' laws (as we are told) in the new
>> constitution.
>>
>> Current polls show 65%-70% saying Yes. This is not good enough.
>>
>> One important thing stands out in these arguments. Perhaps Kenyans and not
>> our current Constitution need to change.
>>
>> o_O
>>
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 4/27/10, Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
>> To: kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com
>>
>> Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 9:14 AM
>>
>>
>> Dear Emmanuel,
>>
>> There is a very clear difference between a chief's proclamation - or read,
>> a
>> "Govt - (which is
>> to an extend been set up through popular will)and laws imposed through
>> religious fundamentalism
>> under flimsy excuses.
>>
>> Now, while it's got everything to do with the current constitution (
>> though
>> I do not have any
>> idea under which chapters these proclamations were meted out, I also
>> believe
>> such moves coming
>> while we are trying to piece together a new one, might be a signal to
>> things
>> to come.Infact,it
>> could mean things could only get worse under the new one.
>>
>> Governance, through popular will is duty-bound to protect the very basic
>> of
>> rights - for all..
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke>[mailto:
>> emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke>]
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:48 AM
>> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
>> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
>>
>> Did I miss some news?
>>
>> I thought what I happened in North Eastern (Mandera) to be specific was a
>> decree that even the Kenyan chief's proclaim from time to time in
>> "Christian" Kenya. When this happens it affects both Christian and Muslim
>> youth alike.
>>
>> I am bound to be corrected but this is happening not under the new
>> Constitution but the current one and so my question is what has it got to
>> do
>> with the new constitution? What has it got to do with the Kadhi's courts
>> or
>> any of those parts being contested?
>>
>> I really think that as reasonable and kind Christ followers, we must ask
>> ourselves, what's Christ do?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Emmanuel
>> PS: The views expressed here are my own..
>>
>>
>> > -------Original Message-------
>> > From: Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
>> >
>> > To: emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke>
>> > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
>> > Sent: Apr 26 '10 22:26
>> >
>> > You mean, there is something called Sharia law, in this country...???
>> >
>> > Last time I checked, it's the kind of law applied and dictated by
>> > fundamentalists upon hapless citizenry, with no regard whatsoever
>> > for the very basic of basic human rights..
>> >
>> > So, who is fooling who..? Next thing, internet will be outlawed in
>> > that section of the nation. Who knows where next. And this is at a
>> > time we working to open up space and bridge the national divide.
>> > Time to smell coffee...
>> >
>> > Harry
>> >
>> >
>> > --------------------
>> > FROM: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>=
>> comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>]
>>
>> > ON BEHALF OF S.Murigi Muraya
>> > SENT: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:09 AM
>> > TO: harry at comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
>> > CC: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> > SUBJECT: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
>> >
>> >
>> > Please note Article 24 Subsection 4 of our soon to be new
>> > constitution limits how the Bill of Rights may apply to the one
>> > religion the Kenyan state is funding with the approval of Kenyans who
>> vote YES!
>> >
>> > Of course the Kenyan media is too busy slandering Churches to point
>> > this out.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Wainaina Mungai <[LINK:
>> > mailto:wainaina at madeinkenya.org<http://mc/compose?to=wainaina@madeinkenya.org>]
>> wainaina at madeinkenya.org <http://mc/compose?to=wainaina@madeinkenya.org>>
>> wrote:
>> > The recent move by Muslim Sheikhs to enforce Sharia Law, outlaw DSTV,
>> > video dens & related activities in Mandera could not have come at a
>> > more unfortunate time. The support they have received from SUPREM
>> > (Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims) further complicates the debate on
>> > the "continued" inclusion of Kadhi Courts in our Constitution.
>> >
>> > Now that the SUPKEM has proved to support such apparent 'treason' in
>> > my secular nation, President Kibaki and Prime Minister Odinga must
>> > also commit to ensuring that religion and religious courts
>> are omitted
>> > from the new constitution. That is the pact they must sign with
>> the NO
>> > campaign if a YES vote is to sail through without question. No
>> > religion, especially fundamentalist Islam, should enjoy
>> the privileges
>> > of my hard-earned taxes to propagate religious activities that may
>> > disintegrate into such treasonable actions as by the Sheikhs.
>> >
>> > My vote would easily change to a resounding "NO" unless I am assured
>> > by the Constitution that no Sheikh or Buddist monk, Hindu priest or
>> > Christian cleric will get away with the absurd audacity of attempting
>> > to determine where I watch my Supersport matches, what I drink as I
>> do
>> > so; where and what I can smoke or drink in an independent secular
>> > KENYA.
>> >
>> > No religion should 'get it twisted' on its place in secular Kenya and
>> > no loopholes should allow Sheikhs or SUPKEM to get away with such
>> > treasonable actions.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Wainaina
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sent from my mobile device
>> >
>> > Wainaina Mungai
>> > -----
>> > [LINK: http://www.bungesms.com] http://www.bungesms.com
>> > [LINK: http://www.madeinkenya.org] http://www.madeinkenya.org
>> > [LINK: http://www.wainainamungai.com] http://www.wainainamungai.com
>> >
>> > Thousands of candles can be lighted from a single candle, and the
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