<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Adam,</div><div><br></div><div>Well the standards are pretty high level but they elicit a sense of responsibility from anyone who acquires them towards ensuring their information assets are properly managed and well protected. Digitalization revolves around processes , the standards actually address such processes. Not sure if there is a simpler solution among other bodies such as ISACA. Probably ISACA members on the list can shed some light. <a class="gmail_plusreply" id="plusReplyChip-10" href="mailto:kivuva@kictanet.or.ke" tabindex="-1">@Mwendwa Kivuva</a> <br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 3:38 PM Adam Lane <<a href="mailto:adam.lane@huawei.com">adam.lane@huawei.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Hi Barrack, are those standards addressing the issue I raise around data protection and privacy, i.e. if you meet the standard then you do not share
data to third parties, or that any data you share is anonymized, or to some other definition? I am not an ISO expert, but I thought they focus more on following processes than actual results, and may not be specific enough to convince me they are not sharing
my data….<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Maybe I am just not well enough informed, in which case whoever promotes such ISO standards that can assure me of such are not promoting it very
well, or have few apps/websites/services adopting such standards, or both….<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Being voluntary is a good thing. But there needs to be awareness of the benefits of those standards; and maybe some market pressure to adopt the
standards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> Barrack Otieno [mailto:<a href="mailto:barrack@kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">barrack@kictanet.or.ke</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 23, 2022 2:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kenya's premier ICT Policy engagement platform <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>; John Walubengo <<a href="mailto:jwalubengo@kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">jwalubengo@kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Adam Lane <<a href="mailto:adam.lane@huawei.com" target="_blank">adam.lane@huawei.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:awatila@gmail.com" target="_blank">awatila@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Kenya Internet Governance Forum Online Discussion- Day 1 - Governing Data and Protecting Privacy<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi <a href="mailto:adam.lane@huawei.com" id="gmail-m_3383984350410470plusReplyChip-7" target="_blank">
@Adam Lane</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Many thanks. We have tonnes of domesticated ISO 27,000 series Standards at the Kenya Bureau of Standards. Together with
<a href="mailto:jwalubengo@kictanet.or.ke" id="gmail-m_3383984350410470plusReplyChip-8" target="_blank">@John Walubengo</a> and other listers we have been involved in local standards development. The Challenge we have always faced is that Standards focusing on ICT are voluntary. Only those touching
on Health and Safety are mandatory. With creation of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner, things might change.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 2:45 PM Adam Lane via KICTANet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">I would say the main issue I have is that most services/websites/apps don’t give any options. You accept the Terms and
Conditions or you don’t. It is good that nowadays, at least in Android that I know well, permissions can be easily denied or limited for apps in relation to accessing certain functions from the device. However this is not the same as using data itself. Hopefully
in the future there will be more flexibility and options around what one accepts. With cookies, some websites give options (either a list of several things you can toggle on or off, or options of reject, minimum required, all) though other websites don’t give
options at all.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">I am not aware of any voluntary standards in Kenya that a website/app/service could self-certify against or be independently
verified against that shows they meet such standards around use of data protection/privacy. An Act really only defines illegal and legal, but it is good to have different options within legal that can show strong, stronger, very strong protections, for example,
that are something that is voluntary but could be recognized by users.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Regards</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Adam</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> KICTANet [mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Badam.lane" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+adam.lane</a>=<a href="mailto:huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alex Watila via KICTANet<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 23, 2022 2:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Adam Lane <<a href="mailto:adam.lane@huawei.com" target="_blank">adam.lane@huawei.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:awatila@gmail.com" target="_blank">awatila@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Kenya Internet Governance Forum Online Discussion- Day 1 - Governing Data and Protecting Privacy<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear Listers,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On question 1 I think people are over fearful regarding the issue of data protection. I would suggest that they need to take the same approach as organizations
are doing by conducting a personal data privacy impact assessment. E.g. what is the real risk of your personal identifiable Information leaking?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">One example I considered in say your telephone number. You hide it online but hand out your business cards that have your contact details.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Consultant<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">ICT4D<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US"><a href="https://advisera.com/27001academy/#a_aid=621f58ced9bb1&a_bid=f79f3b0b" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">Quality
Management Systems</span></a> </span></i><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US"><a href="https://advisera.com/27001academy/#a_aid=621f58ced9bb1&a_bid=f79f3b0b" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">Information
Security Management Systems</span></a></span></i><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> KICTANet <<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+awatila=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Judy Okite via KICTANet<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 22, 2022 5:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alex Watila <<a href="mailto:awatila@gmail.com" target="_blank">awatila@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Judy Okite <<a href="mailto:judyokite@gmail.com" target="_blank">judyokite@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [kictanet] Kenya Internet Governance Forum Online Discussion- Day 1 - Governing Data and Protecting Privacy<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">As mentioned earlier by the KIGF- MAG Chair, we begin the online discussions today. </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Topic: Governing Data and Protecting Privacy </span></b><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">The<a href="https://www.odpc.go.ke/dpa-act/" target="_blank"> Kenya Data Protection Act
</a>was gazetted in 2019 ,</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> <span style="color:black">An Act of Parliament to give effect to Article 31(c) and (d) of the Constitution of Kenya
, 2010 (Right to privacy); </span></span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US">- To establish the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner;</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US">- To make provision for the regulation of the processing of personal data; </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US">- To provide for the rights of data subjects and obligations of data controllers and processors; and for
connected purposes</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US">1. As a lister how safe do you feel about the safety of your personal data online?What do you think could
be done better to improve the protection of data online?</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US">2. How safe are children and persons with disabilities
</span><span lang="EN-US">on their</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"> data privacy? </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">We look forward to a vibrant discussion and once again do not forget to register to participate in this year's main IGF
events using this</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> link: <a href="https://bit.ly/39pXf9a" target="_blank">https://bit.ly/39pXf9a</a> .Our official hashtag is <b>#KeIGF2022</b></span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Receive warm greetings from the Multi Advisory Group (MAG) that has been working to prepare this year's Kenya Internet Governance Forum (KIGF). Ahead of
<span style="color:black">the KIGF week, there shall be a series of online discussions to set the pace for the discussions that shall be held during the KIGF. </span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">The online discussion will run from the 22nd to the 24th of June and the following are the discussion topics.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Governing data and protecting privacy.</b></span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>ICT's and the upcoming elections.</b></span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Connecting all people and promoting cyber hygiene and emerging issues including youth, online work, inclusion and regulation.</b></span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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in this year's main IGF events using this link: <a href="https://bit.ly/39pXf9a" target="_blank">https://bit.ly/39pXf9a</a> .Our official hashtag is <b>#KeIGF2022</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Barrack Otieno</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Trustee</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTAnet)</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/barrack-otieno-2101262b/" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/barrack-otieno-2101262b/</a></span></b><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US"><a href="http://www.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">www.kictanet.or.ke</a></span></b><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><b>Barrack Otieno<br></b></div><div><b>Trustee</b></div><div><b>Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTAnet)</b><br></div><div><b>Skype:barrack.otieno</b></div><div><b>+254721325277</b></div><div><b><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/barrack-otieno-2101262b/" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/barrack-otieno-2101262b/</a><br></b></div><div><b><a href="http://www.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">www.kictanet.or.ke</a></b><br></div></div></div>