<div dir="auto">Good questions Kivuva. I hope fb will shed some light as to what kind of Data is going to be mined and how they will get it.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I've been asking, if fb claims they are not reading out messages, then what kind of Data are they looking for?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Barrack I'm just re reading your email now. What do you mean hakuna siri kwa simu! Have you already agreed to the new updates yo have such an experience with your facebook TL?</div><div dir="auto"></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 18:54 Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">What would be important for us all is to<div dir="auto">1. Understand what the WhatsApp privacy updates really entail. In the age of fake news, a lot has been spread, even on WhatsApp and it is difficult to pinpoint the truth. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">2. Why is FB releasing different updates for different regions? Europe is getting a different set of rules than the rest of us. Are our data protection laws as strong as GDPR?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It would be good for FB to debunk all the theories going around</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 9:29 AM Ali Hussein via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Liz</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">We have none. We gave away our rights. The only remedy is to walk away...</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Ali
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<span style="font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 9:12 AM Liz Orembo <<a href="mailto:lizorembo@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">lizorembo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Ali and Barrack, I totally agree with you.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Lakini why are we only treating it as a matter of individual consent?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Will this become a new trend where tech monopolies will be baiting people with free products to a point their platforms become essential services, then boom! New strange updates.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Where does consumer protection come in.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 08:57 Ali Hussein via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a class="gmail_plusreply" id="m_4903084795952992528m_-987292348654067512gmail-m_413585270026316866m_-6820654035784954778plusReplyChip-0" href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">@Barrack Otieno</a> kabisa kaka.<br clear="all"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">So here's the thing. Wacha nifungue roho as GG keeps on saying. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">I have been warning people for years that there's nothing for free. Facebook is a marketplace. And if you are not selling or buying you are the product. Plain and simple. Kwani hio platform ilijengwe na nini (how do you think the platform was built?) We have a saying in Kiswahili - </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Ukiona vyaelea jua vimeundwa. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">The choice is simple. Put up or ship out. If the Australian government has buckled to the muscle of Facebook who are we? </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">:-)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Ali
Hussein</font></b></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Digital Transformation</font></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>T<font size="2">el: +254 713 60<font size="2">1113</font></font><br></span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>Twitter: @AliHKassim</span><span></span></span></font></p><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif">
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<span style="font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 8:51 AM Barrack Otieno <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Morning Listers,</div><div><br></div><div>Looks like the train already left the station. I have noticed lately that when i discuss a product on Whatsapp, i see it on my Facebook timeline. On the flip side i don't mind the new development since it makes my decision making easier. Siri haiwekwi kwa simu ama namna gani <a class="gmail_plusreply" id="m_4903084795952992528m_-987292348654067512gmail-m_413585270026316866m_-6820654035784954778gmail-m_-6911185491426967572plusReplyChip-0" href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">@Ali Hussein</a> <br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 8:22 AM Ali Hussein via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">This is an interesting development. I can't understand what's going on in Menlo Park, California. On the face of it seems like its Facebook vs the World. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">What gives? What are the algorithms and data telling them?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b><font size="2" face="georgia, serif">Ali
Hussein</font></b></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2" face="georgia, serif">Digital Transformation</font></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>T<font size="2">el: +254 713 60<font size="2">1113</font></font><br></span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>Twitter: @AliHKassim</span><span></span></span></font></p><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif">
</span></font><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>Skype: abu-jomo</span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a></span><a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"></span></a></span></font></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></span></font></p><p style="font-size:small;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:georgia;color:black"><br></span></p><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span><br><font size="1">Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.</font></span></span></font><span style="font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-size:11pt"></span>
<span style="font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 10:34 PM Liz Orembo via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Greetings listers,<div><br></div><div>It looks like WhatsApp privacy updates are still with us, just postponed till 15th May. Check these links out:</div><div><ul><li> Whats<font style="color:rgb(63,63,66)" size="2" face="arial, sans-serif">App to switch off messages for all who reject new terms </font><font style="color:rgb(63,63,66)" size="2" face="arial, sans-serif">:</font><font style="color:rgb(63,63,66)" size="2" face="arial, sans-serif"><a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56154543" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56154543</a></font></li><li><span style="font-weight:inherit;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(63,63,64)">WhatsApp to move ahead with privacy update despite backlash</span><a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/facebook-whatsapp-privacy-idUSKBN2AJ0BC" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">: //www.reuters.com/article/facebook-whatsapp-privacy-idUSKBN2AJ0BC</a></li></ul><div>KICTANet in partnership with FB will hold a webinar <b><u>Tuesday on March 2nd, from 11am to 12.30</u></b> noon. The FB team will respond to questions that were raised earlier on this list, and new ones that may arise as a result of these new updates. </div><div><br></div><div>We therefore invite you to ask your questions here starting tomorrow Tuesday February 23, 2020 to Thursday February 25, 2020. The questions will be curated and the FB team will respond to them during the webinar on Tuesday. </div><div><br></div><div>Here are a few questions to guide our discussions:</div><div><ol><li>1. What trends are these updates going to set?</li><li>These updates only apply in Europe because of the GDPR, yet our own data protection Act mirrors these regulations. What can we make of this?</li><li>What are the implications of the privacy updates on harvesting<b> </b>the data and metadata for advertisement? </li></ol><div>The floor is open!</div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br><div><font style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif" size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Best regards.<br>
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