<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Andrew</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Let me call this BS as it should be called. BS. Surely, of all people, you shouldn't be the one to justify FUP. I appreciate your honesty though. 😀</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Here's a thought:-</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">With all the tools available using Big Data and Analytics, aren't you all able to isolate the abusers and punish them instead of painting all of us with the same abuser tar brush? </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">I think we are in the age of companies treating their customers with the respect they deserve and actually do right by them. What you have described is communal punishment. This is wrong and the regulator needs to take note.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Ali
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</span></font><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>Skype: abu-jomo</span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a></span><a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"></span></a></span></font></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></span></font></p><p style="font-size:small;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:georgia;color:black"><br></span></p><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span><br><font size="1">Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.</font></span></span></font><span style="font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-size:11pt"></span>
<span style="font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 8:13 AM Andrew Alston via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I’ve hesitated to climb into this but – here goes anyway (everything written in personal capacity)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Firstly – almost ALL ISP’s have FUP’s in some form or another – generally buried deep in the T&C’s – as someone stated to me – in the UK with certain ISP’s suddenly your line just gets
slow and then when you call support you find yourself quietly diverted to the abuse department.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The fact is that FUP’s are a necessary evil.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<li class="gmail-m_8165345088722647376MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US">They prevent customers from reselling one account to multiple other parties while sharing it using NAT – which impacts the financial
viability of the service and make its more expensive for everyone else in the end<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="gmail-m_8165345088722647376MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US">ISP’s operate on contention ratios – if you do not impose some form of FUP – you either have to put up the price or the contention
ratios are going to get out of whack – and everyone else is going to suffer.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="gmail-m_8165345088722647376MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US">Globally most home accounts use well shy of half a terabyte a month – a terabyte of data is a LOT of data for a single home
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So let’s just put some context in what a terabyte of data actually means – and I always use video as the prime gauge of this because it’s the easiest example.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Your average Netflix 4k film runs at ~25mbit at absolute maximum if you are watching 4K on an HDR enabled TV. That’s 22.5 Gigabytes of data every 2 hours – if you watch one 4K 2 hour
movie every single day for a month you will eat 675gigs of data. If we drop this to 1080p – which is far more common – you are using ~7 megabit of bandwidth – or 6.3gigs every 2 hours – if you watch 300 hours of 1080p content in a month – or 10 hours a day
– you still haven’t hit that cap.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Effectively – you could watch one 4K movie every day for a month – and still watch 150 40minute tv episodes in 1080p in a month – and have room to move.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">To look at it from another perspective – installation of something like Ubuntu Linux over the net – you could still over 400 machines on that kinda data load in a month.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">With regards to gaming – you may burn 100gig pulling down a game and game updates – but after that in game play you are using tiny amounts of bandwidth and could keep yourself playing
easily for a month with space to spare.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Zoom calls – if you ran zoom 24 hours a day – for a month – you’d use less than 70% of that cap.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Also – I might point out that the FUP’s slow your link down once you hit that cap – to a rate that is still useable if a little sluggish.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Basically what I’m saying in all of this – Safaricom’s FUP and T&C’s to me seem perfectly reasonable and designed to protect the network – with the alternative being – the price goes
up for everyone or everyone suffers because of the few when the network congests. Bandwidth aint free – and you can’t have it both ways – the product still has to make financial sense to both the consumer and the provider<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Andrew<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">kictanet <kictanet-bounces+andrew.alston=<a href="mailto:liquidtelecom.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">liquidtelecom.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> on behalf of Adam Lane via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 18 February 2021 at 07:36<br>
<b>To: </b>Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Adam Lane <<a href="mailto:adam.lane@huawei.com" target="_blank">adam.lane@huawei.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [kictanet] Safaricom changes to home fibre ToS<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"">🗓</span>️ Thursday, 18th February 2021
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Speakers from CA, Safaricom, Liquid, KICTAnet, <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-all"><b>From:</b>Beryl Aidi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-all"><b>To:</b>Adam Lane <<a href="mailto:adam.lane@huawei.com" target="_blank">adam.lane@huawei.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-all"><b>Date:</b>2021-02-18 05:57:28
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-all"><b>Subject:</b>Re: [kictanet] Safaricom changes to home fibre ToS
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you Sidney for this. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don’t think Safaricom is being sincere in this fair usage limits. They promised that with Home Fibre one can stream, download or upload stuff without limits. All you do is pay your monthly subscription. Fair usage is a type of rationing
that limits how much you can do when you had been promised that you can do whatever you want. To me this is going back on a promise. It’s reminiscent of the days of unlimited 3GB bundles on the dongle modem only for them to strike you with a fair usage notice.
Are other networks doing the same? As the industry leader in the country, this is bound to influence other industry players to adopt the same standards and limits which is not good. Maybe it might be time to seek other options.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Beryl<u></u><u></u></p>
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On 16 Feb 2021, at 9:47 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Sidney for initiating this debate.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 at 19:44, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Not sure if you've seen the stir online of changes to the ToS with Safaricom's home offering.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Safaricom is destroying Home Fibre with new ‘Fair Usage’ Limits:
<a href="https://tech-ish.com/2021/02/14/safaricom-is-destroying-home-fibre-with-new-fair-usage-limits/" target="_blank">
https://tech-ish.com/2021/02/14/safaricom-is-destroying-home-fibre-with-new-fair-usage-limits/</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The response from the company has been disappointing in the extreme, misleading with statistics and suggesting that it's best customers are
<a href="https://twitter.com/Safaricom_Care/status/1360876964651929600" target="_blank">
thieves</a>,<br>
never mind that working for home has lead to increased demand and use of their services.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That tweet certainly does not call resellers thieves. It calls them resellers.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All this is beside the point, at least for this forum, what I'm concerned about this that if we didn't have an eagle-eyed blogger looking out for this, it would have been completely missed until it was already in place.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So I have a few of questions:<u></u><u></u></p>
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Does the CA have any policies around ToS changes around services under their purview and how they are communicated to users?<u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal">CA has a consumer and public affairs department. Here is what they have to say about ToC ( CA/CPA/CEP/B/05/2014 )
<a href="https://ca.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Consumer-Rights-and-Responsibilities.pdf" target="_blank">
https://ca.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Consumer-Rights-and-Responsibilities.pdf</a> <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps CA should update that information. It is 6 years old. But good information nevertheless.<u></u><u></u></p>
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Should companies that run what could be considered critical infrastructure be allowed to arbitrarily change their ToS to apply retroactively especially if it's to the detriment of their customers?<u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope lawyers here can help us with this. <u></u><u></u></p>
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If customers choose not to accept a change in ToS what redress do they have given that perhaps the provider is the only one available in their area.<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
Finally, given that we know this could all be avoided if there was more competition in the fibre market, what is the CA doing to make it so that we have more competition in that area? It's concerning that Safaricom seems to only option for home connections
in several places<u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Determined by the market and economic forces. Just the other day, Safaricom was not in the home fibre market. What they have provided are more options for consumers. Numbers are stubborn facts. Fixed data subscription is as follows: Data
source CA, July -September 2020 period, page 19 <a href="https://ca.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Sector-Statistics-Report-Q1-2020-2021.pdf" target="_blank">https://ca.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Sector-Statistics-Report-Q1-2020-2021.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Safaricom PLC 229,406 subscribers, 35.6% market share<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wananchi Group (Kenya) Ltd* 202,237 subscribers , 31.4 35.6% market share <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Jamii Telecommunications Ltd 127,914 subscribers , 19.8 Poa % market share <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Internet Kenya Ltd 56,824 subscribers ,8.8% market share <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Mawingu Networks Ltd 11,087 subscribers, 1.7 % market share <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Internet Solutions Kenya Ltd 9,228 subscribers, 1.4 % market share <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Consumers are speaking with their wallets.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As a policy discussion list, probably what we should be asking is what is the fair cost for certain broadband packages, and whether there is anything that can be really unlimited. Wearing my competent network engineer hat, I can tell you
even at Safaricom, they don't have unlimited bandwidth. Bandwidth is a limited resource to the extent of the network devices, network media, and cost of acquiring and delivering that bandwidth to your edge device.<u></u><u></u></p>
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Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya<u></u><u></u></p>
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