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<div>No - I said at scale - it has cost implications - and the more breakdown you want as per protocol the larger the cost implications.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Anything can be done - the question is how the cost of doing it is born.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Per user according is a lot cheaper than per protocol accounting - and relatively easy - per protocol accounting is complex and can be costly - it can be done - it’s a matter of making the economics work</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Again let me stress - anything can be done - given enough money - and the question is what costs are the users prepared to be eat to get that functionality</div>
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<div>Andrew, in summary, you have just said that it's impractical (economically) to notify clients of their usage before the FUPs are applied - and @AHK is definitely coming back on your case for stating this :-)</div>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Btw – in terms of sizing of the data –
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">At 5.184 billion samples per month – if you are storing each sample as a 64bit float (which is common) – you are consuming 41 terabytes of data per month just in the sampling – excluding overhead to serialize the
data and store it – storing for 12 months would be close to half a petabyte of uncompressed data unless you are doing rollup – then add redundancy x 2 – now you are up to 1.5 petabytes of disk space.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Obviously there is compression that can be employed etc – the point is – this isn’t as simple as people are making out<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt; color:black">kictanet <kictanet-bounces+andrew.alston=<a href="mailto:liquidtelecom.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">liquidtelecom.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> on behalf of Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 18 February 2021 at 13:13<br>
<b>To: </b>Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Odhiambo Washington <<a href="mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com" target="_blank">odhiambo@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [kictanet] Safaricom changes to home fibre ToS<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:vkapiyo@kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">@Victor Kapiyo</a> let me try and answer the question "How are users supposed to know they have reached or almost reached their limits? ISPs should provide this information to
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">ISPs have (access to) systems that monitor all traffic. By monitor, I mean the systems are able to categorise the type of traffic and aggregate the bytes/MBs/GBs used. I think it is trivial for them to avail this information to the
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">The same way they throttle you once you hit the data cap, they can easily trigger an email to you when you reach N% (say 75%) of the FUPs data cap then you can decide on what to do. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Question is - will they do it? Are they obliged to do it??<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">The example below is a graph that one ISP has of a client's usage. I have access to this via a web portal. Funnily, I never know about the existence of this web portal for years - because I probably did not read every letter and word
of the T&Cs for the service - like who does that? :-)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Very interesting. How are users supposed to know they have reached or almost reached their limits? ISPs should provide this information to users. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">ISPs need to be held accountable for what they advertise e.g. a 20mbps connection, and be required to provide as such, and have a transparent mechanism for users to know what amount of data they're consuming. We might as well<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> treat
home fibre as we do data bundles, so that we always know our speed and consumption. How can a user dispute an 'unfair' FUP by an ISP if there's no independent way of verifying consumption?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">While i applaud Safcom for their transparency, which other ISPs should emulate, it's best practice for consumers to be provided with clear information of what they're purchasing at the time of contracting. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">As consumers, we always have the option to change providers, and have the freedom to contract. However, the playing field needs to be level. ISPs have an unfair advantage over their customers, who are the weaker party in these contracts. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">The Communications Authority should step in to protect the rights of consumers, and check these unfair trade practices which are being openly implemented by ISPs to the detriment of consumers. The silence of CA on this issue, is in
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">On Thu, 18 Feb 2021, 11:54 geoffrey gitagia via kictanet, <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">I barely watch 4k coz of bandwidth requirements , but my net consumption is usually around 300 GB , plus my only big B/W hog is CCTV backup for 2 cameras.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 11:49 AM Andrew Alston via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Unless you’re watching more than 60 hours of tv a month – you won’t have a problem with Netflix 4k
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 18 February 2021 at 11:44<br>
<b>To: </b>Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>tevin mwenda <<a href="mailto:tevinmwenda@gmail.com" target="_blank">tevinmwenda@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [kictanet] Safaricom changes to home fibre ToS</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Thank you very much for this debate. I am learning a lot on Fair Use Policy. I guess no more watching Netflix in 4K High definition. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">My takeaway is that FUPs should be published as a requirement. Also don't torrent too much.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Georgia,serif">I do appreciate your very candid responses and of course, I wouldnt expect you to agree with my 'conspiracy theories' about data. The fact that you can't run away from is this:-</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Georgia,serif">Most ISPs run a <b><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36)">Bait and switch </span></b><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36)">sales operations machine. This a morally suspect sales tactic that lures customers
in with specific claims about the quality or low prices on items that turn out to be unavailable in order to upsell them on a similar, pricier item. It is considered a form of retail sales fraud, though it takes place in other contexts.</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Georgia,serif; color:rgb(32,33,36)">So, when you are selling me bandwidth, don't hide the FUP in T&Cs. Tell me to my face. Then I decide whether I'm ok with it or not. This is the biggest issue here. Not whether
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Safaricom did tell you about the FUP – unlike most ISP’s in the world that never disclose what those FUP’s are.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Also – I’d be very careful about alleging that ISP’s are all looking at user data – particularly because it’s a patently false allegation that all data is analyzed on all links. Yes – some ISP’s probably do do that
kinda DPI on every circuit – but it certainly isn’t the case for a large portion of them – because its not economically feasible to do it.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Again, someone would have to pay for those analytics engines – and having written a significant amount of code to detect ddos attacks using pure packet headers (metadata) – I can tell you flatly that this belief that
an ISP is sniffing every packet and analyzing it – is a conspiracy theory with very little basis in fact.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">To back this up – on a software based platform – the following is the processing pipeline for packet analytics of packet metadata</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<li class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">By the Ethernet Protocol ID (IPv4, IPv6, possibly .1q tags)</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">By the Layer 4 Protocol byte (Specifically byte 9 of the IP header in V4 traffic)</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Store the 32bit Source and Destination – combined with the Source and Destination port of the Layer 4 header dependent on if its UDP or TCP</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hash the whole lot and place it into a lookup table against the 5 way tuple.</span><u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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<li class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Even if you vectorize that process – you are still looking at a coupla milliseconds per packet – times millions of packets a second. A modern server can do that kinda accounting at ~20gigabit/second if they bypass
kernel which bloats things – but – they haven’t touched the data segment of the packet.</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">If you look at Cisco routers – if you do port mirroring – you are limited to mirroring the first 128 bytes of the packet – because the replication of anything beyond that kills performance, it can’t be done at line
rate </span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">If you look at Juniper routers – you can port mirror for analytics on the full packet – but at the cost of performance.</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On hardware asic based routing – analytics such as you are referring to requires CPU punt – because the asics aren’t designed to do what you are proposing.</span><u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">A 10gig circuit can be running in excess of a million packets a second – even if you are vectorizing the packet processing – just analyzing the headers to categorize it – before you attempt to hash it and bucket it
– requires a minimum of 100 instructions post packet receipt – add the hashing and bucketing – you’re looking at a few thousand instructions to the CPU *<b>per packet</b>* - add the payload analytics – this goes up by orders of magnitude – last I checked –
ISP’s don’t have super computers lying around.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">If you want full DPI to the level of analytics you are proposing – you HAVE to analyze the full payload content of the packet – and while there are boxes that can do this – they cost *<b>millions</b>* (of dollars
not KSH) – and ISP’s generally aren’t gonna spend that kinda money unless they have to – because the cost has to be passed to the users.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Andrew</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 18 February 2021 at 10:32<br>
<b>To: </b>Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Georgia,serif">Wacha kizungu mingi (I think you are Kenyan enough to understand what I've just said). </span><span style="font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"">😁</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Georgia,serif">Let me put you on the spot. To come up with FUP's you already know whose doing what so that 'innocence' of telling us about privacy now is moot. You all use these tools to snoop on us. Period.
Now do it for the benefit of the customer. Not yours. This is really very simple. You all are crying foul about costs blah blah...but when you were wooing us you didn't tell us about FUP...</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Georgia,serif">Do the right thing mate...Be on the right side of history. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 10:19 AM Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Ali,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I respectfully disagree – FUP’s have been apart of the Internet since day one since they protect the integrity of the networks as a whole.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">You have the option of buying an account without such an FUP – it just costs more – because someone has to cover the costs. Bandwidth doesn’t come free. This is the same reason why there are contention ratios (which
I notice Safaricom also publishes).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">You refer to big data analytics – yet if I were to propose that an ISP actively sniff and analyze user traffic – you’d be screaming about violations of privacy – because the type of analytics you are talking about
would require deep packet inspection at levels you don’t even want to contemplate.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Let me be clear – you get what you pay for – and if every user decided to use their FUP allocated terabyte to its full capacity – for every 3240 users you would need a 10gigabit circuit – if every user ran at their
maximum speeds on the 100mbit accounts – for every 100 users you would need a 10gigabit circuit. Trust me when I say – there is no world in which an ISP could afford to provide 10gigabit of bandwidth at a cost of effectively under $11k a month and still remain
viable – which is what would happen if all those users maxed out.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So – let me ask you – would you prefer that ALL the users be penalized with significantly higher prices – or would you prefer that people abide by what is fair (and what is in this case, a FUP that is 4 times the
global average usage for home user accounts – which is just north of 250gigabytes of data a month on global average)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Andrew</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt; color:black">Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 18 February 2021 at 10:11<br>
<b>To: </b>KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [kictanet] Safaricom changes to home fibre ToS</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Georgia,serif">Let me call this BS as it should be called. BS. Surely, of all people, you shouldn't be the one to justify FUP. I appreciate your honesty though. </span><span style="font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"">😀</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Georgia,serif">Here's a thought:-</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Georgia,serif">With all the tools available using Big Data and Analytics, aren't you all able to isolate the abusers and punish them instead of painting all of us with the same abuser tar brush? </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Georgia,serif">I think we are in the age of companies treating their customers with the respect they deserve and actually do right by them. What you have described is communal punishment. This is wrong and the
regulator needs to take note.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Georgia,serif">Digital Transformation</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Georgia,serif">Tel: +254 713 601113</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Georgia,serif">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 8:13 AM Andrew Alston via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I’ve hesitated to climb into this but – here goes anyway (everything written in personal capacity)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Firstly – almost ALL ISP’s have FUP’s in some form or another – generally buried deep in the T&C’s – as someone stated to me – in the UK with certain ISP’s suddenly your line just gets slow and then when you call
support you find yourself quietly diverted to the abuse department.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The fact is that FUP’s are a necessary evil.
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<li class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">They prevent customers from reselling one account to multiple other parties while sharing it using NAT – which impacts the financial viability of the service and make its more expensive for everyone else in the end</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">ISP’s operate on contention ratios – if you do not impose some form of FUP – you either have to put up the price or the contention ratios are going to get out of whack – and everyone else is going to suffer.</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Globally most home accounts use well shy of half a terabyte a month – a terabyte of data is a LOT of data for a single home
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So let’s just put some context in what a terabyte of data actually means – and I always use video as the prime gauge of this because it’s the easiest example.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Your average Netflix 4k film runs at ~25mbit at absolute maximum if you are watching 4K on an HDR enabled TV. That’s 22.5 Gigabytes of data every 2 hours – if you watch one 4K 2 hour movie every single day for a
month you will eat 675gigs of data. If we drop this to 1080p – which is far more common – you are using ~7 megabit of bandwidth – or 6.3gigs every 2 hours – if you watch 300 hours of 1080p content in a month – or 10 hours a day – you still haven’t hit that
cap.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Effectively – you could watch one 4K movie every day for a month – and still watch 150 40minute tv episodes in 1080p in a month – and have room to move.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">To look at it from another perspective – installation of something like Ubuntu Linux over the net – you could still over 400 machines on that kinda data load in a month.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">With regards to gaming – you may burn 100gig pulling down a game and game updates – but after that in game play you are using tiny amounts of bandwidth and could keep yourself playing easily for a month with space
to spare.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Zoom calls – if you ran zoom 24 hours a day – for a month – you’d use less than 70% of that cap.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Also – I might point out that the FUP’s slow your link down once you hit that cap – to a rate that is still useable if a little sluggish.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Basically what I’m saying in all of this – Safaricom’s FUP and T&C’s to me seem perfectly reasonable and designed to protect the network – with the alternative being – the price goes up for everyone or everyone suffers
because of the few when the network congests. Bandwidth aint free – and you can’t have it both ways – the product still has to make financial sense to both the consumer and the provider</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Andrew</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 18 February 2021 at 07:36<br>
<b>To: </b>Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Adam Lane <<a href="mailto:adam.lane@huawei.com" target="_blank">adam.lane@huawei.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [kictanet] Safaricom changes to home fibre ToS</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-all"><b>From:</b>Beryl Aidi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-all"><b>Date:</b>2021-02-18 05:57:28
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal" style="word-break:break-all"><b>Subject:</b>Re: [kictanet] Safaricom changes to home fibre ToS
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Thank you Sidney for this. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">I don’t think Safaricom is being sincere in this fair usage limits. They promised that with Home Fibre one can stream, download or upload stuff without limits. All you do is pay your monthly subscription. Fair usage is a type of rationing
that limits how much you can do when you had been promised that you can do whatever you want. To me this is going back on a promise. It’s reminiscent of the days of unlimited 3GB bundles on the dongle modem only for them to strike you with a fair usage notice.
Are other networks doing the same? As the industry leader in the country, this is bound to influence other industry players to adopt the same standards and limits which is not good. Maybe it might be time to seek other options.<u></u><u></u></p>
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On 16 Feb 2021, at 9:47 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 at 19:44, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Not sure if you've seen the stir online of changes to the ToS with Safaricom's home offering.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Safaricom is destroying Home Fibre with new ‘Fair Usage’ Limits:
<a href="https://tech-ish.com/2021/02/14/safaricom-is-destroying-home-fibre-with-new-fair-usage-limits" target="_blank">
https://tech-ish.com/2021/02/14/safaricom-is-destroying-home-fibre-with-new-fair-usage-limits/</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">The response from the company has been disappointing in the extreme, misleading with statistics and suggesting that it's best customers are
<a href="https://twitter.com/Safaricom_Care/status/1360876964651929600" target="_blank">
thieves</a>,<br>
never mind that working for home has lead to increased demand and use of their services.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">That tweet certainly does not call resellers thieves. It calls them resellers.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">All this is beside the point, at least for this forum, what I'm concerned about this that if we didn't have an eagle-eyed blogger looking out for this, it would have been completely missed until it was already in place.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">So I have a few of questions:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<li class="x_x_MsoNormal">Does the CA have any policies around ToS changes around services under their purview and how they are communicated to users?<u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">CA has a consumer and public affairs department. Here is what they have to say about ToC ( CA/CPA/CEP/B/05/2014 )
<a href="https://ca.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Consumer-Rights-and-Responsibilities.pdf" target="_blank">
https://ca.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Consumer-Rights-and-Responsibilities.pdf</a> <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Perhaps CA should update that information. It is 6 years old. But good information nevertheless.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">I hope lawyers here can help us with this. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<li class="x_x_MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></li><li class="x_x_MsoNormal">If customers choose not to accept a change in ToS what redress do they have given that perhaps the provider is the only one available in their area.<u></u><u></u></li><li class="x_x_MsoNormal">Finally, given that we know this could all be avoided if there was more competition in the fibre market, what is the CA doing to make it so that we have more competition in that area? It's concerning that Safaricom seems to only option
for home connections in several places<u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"> Determined by the market and economic forces. Just the other day, Safaricom was not in the home fibre market. What they have provided are more options for consumers. Numbers are stubborn facts. Fixed data subscription is as follows:
Data source CA, July -September 2020 period, page 19 <a href="https://ca.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Sector-Statistics-Report-Q1-2020-2021.pdf" target="_blank">https://ca.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Sector-Statistics-Report-Q1-2020-2021.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"> Safaricom PLC 229,406 subscribers, 35.6% market share<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Wananchi Group (Kenya) Ltd* 202,237 subscribers , 31.4 35.6% market share <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"> Jamii Telecommunications Ltd 127,914 subscribers , 19.8 Poa % market share <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"> Internet Kenya Ltd 56,824 subscribers ,8.8% market share <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"> Mawingu Networks Ltd 11,087 subscribers, 1.7 % market share <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"> Internet Solutions Kenya Ltd 9,228 subscribers, 1.4 % market share <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Consumers are speaking with their wallets.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">As a policy discussion list, probably what we should be asking is what is the fair cost for certain broadband packages, and whether there is anything that can be really unlimited. Wearing my competent network engineer hat, I can tell
you even at Safaricom, they don't have unlimited bandwidth. Bandwidth is a limited resource to the extent of the network devices, network media, and cost of acquiring and delivering that bandwidth to your edge device.<u></u><u></u></p>
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