<div dir="ltr">Listers,<div><br></div><div>There are a lot of things going on here, the spirit of AfCTA is to discourage bilateral TAs but again self interest trumps everything. US FTAs with developing countries are usually quite predictable save for few issues ie Taxation, beneficial ownership etc.</div><div><br></div><div>That said, I think TAs are overrated, US/India have traded for more than 30 years on human ICT without any deal as it were - India produces the best ICT brains, the US buys them, no questions asked, no favours demanded. Most trade deals are political (agency grandstanding), citizens of different countries trade with each other because it's beneficial to them.</div><div><br></div><div>Take for example Pakistan, they are the biggest buy of KE tea. The simple reason is because they cannot bear to import tea from next door India, however the suits will lead you to believe it's because of the KE-PAK trade deal.</div><div><br></div><div>The UK recently announced that non-graduate Kenyans will be allowed to get work permits and work in the UK, what you is not outlined is, when UK leaves the EU on Jan 31, it will no longer access the Eastern Europe fruit pickers/ packers and this is where our brothers and sisters come-in, again some-one will stand on a podium with an ugly suit and say it's because of the UK-KE trade deal.</div><div><br></div><div>Best </div><div><br><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>E Njoroge Mwangi</div><div>Technology| FINTECH | Big Data</div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Cell <font color="#1155cc">+44 7539372742</font></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Skype: Erick.mwangi</div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:42 AM Barrack Otieno via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Eng Kariuki,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You wrote like 11 elders.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Spot on</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best Regards</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 3 Sep 2020, 10:09 am John Kariuki via kictanet, <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Ali, listers. <div id="gmail-m_-394456737555984037m_-3529683406440134532yMail_cursorElementTracker_1599115540014">Please remember that "Trade Agreements" are about "self-interest" of those initiating the process. They are not primarily intended to help developing countries. </div><div id="gmail-m_-394456737555984037m_-3529683406440134532yMail_cursorElementTracker_1599115781744">In our current situation, the other party has long experience in that field, including NAFTA(Mexico, US, Canada) in 1994.</div><div id="gmail-m_-394456737555984037m_-3529683406440134532yMail_cursorElementTracker_1599115937105">For a general brief on this subject, please read Chapter 3,"Making Trade Fair", of the book - Making Globalization Work, by Prof. Stiglitz, who won Nobel Prize in Economics in 2001.</div><div id="gmail-m_-394456737555984037m_-3529683406440134532yMail_cursorElementTracker_1599116166967"><br></div><div id="gmail-m_-394456737555984037m_-3529683406440134532yMail_cursorElementTracker_1599116169548">Regarding our strategy, I would say the following. "A country is not a big company", according to Prof. Krugman, a Nobel Prize winner in economics. He further adds" The skills learned in business are not useful while formulating economic policy. Even the best businessmen are often very poor in formulating economic policy. Business is about self interest while economic policy is about National Interest. It would therefore be naive to let private interests lead or even dominate national interest matters. They're good at what they do but lack competence in matters of public policy. </div><div id="gmail-m_-394456737555984037m_-3529683406440134532yMail_cursorElementTracker_1599116845378"><br></div><div id="gmail-m_-394456737555984037m_-3529683406440134532yMail_cursorElementTracker_1599116845755">John Kariuki </div><div id="gmail-m_-394456737555984037m_-3529683406440134532yMail_cursorElementTracker_1599116575602"> </div><div id="gmail-m_-394456737555984037m_-3529683406440134532yMail_cursorElementTracker_1599116580119"><br><div id="gmail-m_-394456737555984037m_-3529683406440134532ymail_android_signature"><a id="gmail-m_-394456737555984037m_-3529683406440134532ymail_android_signature_link" href="https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></div> <br> <blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 20px"> <div style="font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(109,0,246)"> <div>On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 15:53, S.M. 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