<div dir="ltr">Hi Listers, <div>I agree with Barrack and Rosemary on the rights issue as well as the existing law. This discussion seems to target mobile money users. There should be in-built mechanisms within the ecosystem of the mobile money platforms for a) reversal ( which already exists, it just needs to be streamlined; and b) attaching the penalties Rosemary has already pointed out if indeed it is proven that a person has obtained the money fraudulently by refusing to reverse it.</div><div>Furthermore, I think such a law can cause people to lose money to the real thieves who send messages to people claiming to have sent it erroneously. Just the mere panic and confusion that they cause when they incessantly call the supposed recipient is enough to make someone send money they never received in the first place to conmen and women. It is already happening anyway, so one can only imagine if there is a law on this how worse it can get.</div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div>Beryl</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:24 AM Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi Listers,<div><br></div><div>I come from the school of thought where we don't need to come up with laws for every seemingly new vice perpetrated through technology. This is theft, similar to the case of the guy from Embu who build a house with money erroneously deposited in his bank account <a href="https://nairobiwire.com/2020/06/man-in-tight-spot-after-building-house-with-money-mistakenly-deposited-in-his-bank-account.html" target="_blank">https://nairobiwire.com/2020/06/man-in-tight-spot-after-building-house-with-money-mistakenly-deposited-in-his-bank-account.html</a>. </div><div><br></div><div>The Penal Code CAP 63: <br></div><div><table style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:16px;font-family:Arial,"Times New Roman",Times,serif;border-spacing:0px"><tbody style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit"><tr style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit"><td valign="top" style="padding:1px 0px 0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit"><font size="2">268.</font></td><td valign="top" style="padding:0px 0px 0px 10px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit"><div style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;line-height:1.3"><font size="2">Definition of stealing</font></div><div id="gmail-m_-9175105779136188783gmail-KE/LEG/EN/AR/P/CHAPTER
63/chap_26/sec_268/subsec_1" style="margin:10px 0px 0px;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit"><table style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;border-spacing:0px"><tbody style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit"><tr style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit"><td valign="top" style="padding:1px 0px 0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit"><font size="2">(1)</font></td><td valign="top" style="padding:0px 0px 0px 10px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-style:inherit"><div style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit"><p style="font-family:inherit;margin:0px;padding:3px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit"><font size="2">A person who fraudulently and without claim of right takes anything capable of being stolen, or fraudulently converts to the use of any person, other than the general or special owner thereof, any property, is said to steal that thing or property.</font></p><p style="font-family:inherit;margin:0px;padding:3px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit"><span style="font-family:inherit;font-size:small;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit"><br></span></p><p style="font-family:inherit;margin:0px;padding:3px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit"><span style="font-family:inherit;font-size:small;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit">Kind regards, </span></p><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif" size="2"> Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu</font><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" size="2"> Advocate </font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" size="2"> Head of Public Policy and Regulatory Affairs - Oxygene MCL</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" size="2"> Tel: +254 718 181644</font></div><div></div></div></div></div></div><p style="font-family:inherit;margin:0px;padding:3px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit"><font size="2"><br></font></p><p style="font-family:inherit;margin:0px;padding:3px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit"><font size="2"><br></font></p></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:25 AM Barrack Otieno via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hi Daudi,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This is extreme, i think a crime should be separated from basic rights to communicate.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best Regards</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 8:31 am David Indeje via kictanet, <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Listers,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Something is being disccused online, initiated by Mr Boniface Mwangi:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">"There should be a law that anyone who receives mobile money by error and refuses to reverse the transaction should be banned from owning a mobile line. All mobile numbers are supposed to be registered using an ID and that persons ID should be flagged to never transact again." <a href="https://twitter.com/bonifacemwangi/status/1275659504647057411?s=19" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/bonifacemwangi/status/1275659504647057411?s=19</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div>
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