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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Barrack<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Honestly I don’t know, but usually these issues need to be addressed as an industry, through various official standards bodies (like 3GPP or ITU)
or other industry entities like GSMA. It does sound like something GSMA might be able work on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Barrack Otieno [mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 1, 2020 10:59 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Stolen phone blocking - A short story about CA vs MNOs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">@Wash<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Interesting Security Conundrum that requires input from a device manufacturer. Maybe Adam, can give us a Huawei Perspective<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 10:47 AM Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">What I meant to say (based on an assumption though) is that in the database, when a device connects, the system captures the IMEI number and the device name, i.e. Samsung Galaxy S10|0123456789<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Assuming another device with an implanted/overwritten IMEI connects, the system then captures Samsung Galaxy S7|0123456789. The IMEI is supposedly unique so there is a discrepancy here - which one is the actual device
that should be having this IMEI? Is it the S10 or S7? And that is where proof is now required.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at 19:11, simiyu mse <<a href="mailto:kensimiyu@gmail.com" target="_blank">kensimiyu@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">If they picked the IMEI from a dead phone then it wouldn't register twice anywhere. Even having another db keeping track of IMSI associations with IMEIs. But that is highly inefficient for this use.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Tue, 31 Mar 2020, 14:57 Odhiambo Washington via kictanet, <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">It would appear that the crooks destined the BLOCKING database the dodo way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I am told that they do it on the cheap (less than KES 500) by picking an IMEI from any dead phone and writing it in the ROM of the stolen ones.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">At the end of the day, the blocking service is supposed to be offered as a public service by who (CA? MNOs?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Because I need whoever is responsible to help me recover my phone. I am willing to work together with them if need be.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">Let me give you a short (very short) Kenyan story:-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Ali Hussein</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Tel: +254 713 601113</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Skype: abu-jomo</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">LinkedIn:
<a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.</span><span lang="EN-US">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Once upon a time, when your mobile phone got stolen, you'd report to the police who'd issue you with their famous "Police Abstract".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">You would present that form, together with proof of purchase of your mobile phone to your preferred MNO - Safaricom, Kencell, etc who<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">would then verify your identity and ownership of the said phone and proceed to BLOCK it from being used.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">why "their phone" wasn't working.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The last time I had such an unfortunate incident, Airtel told me that they no longer block such phones because when stolen, the thieves go to some crooks who<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">then write a new set of IMEIs to the phones, which then keep on being used by the new owners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">However, if I needed that form to show that the MNO blocked my phone, I can get it :-(<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Now, it seems that crooks beat CA to their game, or who was it who had control/supervision and enforcement of this process???<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">End of story. Not sure it was short as initially intended.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">CA, are you listening?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.5pt">Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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