<div dir="ltr">Mark Surman, the Executive Director of Mozilla had an interesting view on the sale of .org. "ICANN and the ISOC board are both in a position to slow things down and offer greater scrutiny and public transparency. We urge them to step back and provide public answers to questions of interest to the public and the millions of orgs that have made dot org their home online for the last 15 years." <a href="https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2019/12/03/questions-about-org/">https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2019/12/03/questions-about-org/</a> <div><br></div><div>On KENIC, the community gave the current KENIC trustees a carte blanche to operate without any form of transparency by not putting in place mechanisms for the organisation to be accountable to the community. </div><div><br></div><div><a class="gmail_plusreply" id="plusReplyChip-0" href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" tabindex="-1">@Ali Hussein</a>, who owns Internet Society? I don't know. We are told Organisation members, and Chapters, and individual members.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">______________________<br>Mwendwa Kivuva,</div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 at 11:02, Mallory Knodel via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>We have accountability mechanisms in place, albeit imperfect at times. The London office of ARTICLE 19 had been working with PIR to do an assessment in January 2020 anyway. This is a good opportunity to enable the voluntary principles of the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights.</div><div><br></div><div>We have been encouraging g+ccTLDs to do these assessments. The KeNIC community could encourage the same to bring some concrete action to what was discussed at the last AGM.</div><div><br></div><div>For reference on the dot org sale: <a href="https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ne8agb/the-quest-to-save-org-from-being-ruined-by-private-equity" target="_blank">https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ne8agb/the-quest-to-save-org-from-being-ruined-by-private-equity</a></div><div><br></div><div>-Mallory<br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 4 Dec 2019, at 07:25, Ali Hussein via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Barrack</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Interesting. Great that you bring up the KeNIC issue. During the AGM certain promises were made about transparency, bringing the community more into the organization etc. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">I wonder where we are at on that?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Ali
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<span style="font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 10:03 AM Barrack Otieno <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><a class="gmail_plusreply" id="gmail-m_-5624319628308540852gmail-m_-700604840613090503plusReplyChip-0" href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank">@Ali Hussein</a><div> </div><div>
<a href="https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.internetsociety.org%2Fblog%2F2019%2F12%2Fthe-sale-of-pir-the-internet-society-board-perspective%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFNkWEFb0gVDzY0vxAUzkybewyqyg" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2019/12/the-sale-of-pir-the-internet-society-board-perspective/</a> <br></div><div><br></div><div>This is a very interesting transaction that brings into play economic aspects of the Domain Name Industry. Our very own <a class="gmail_plusreply" id="gmail-m_-5624319628308540852gmail-m_-700604840613090503plusReplyChip-1" href="mailto:admin@kenic.or.ke" target="_blank">@KENIC</a> will soon be worth USD 1B. Are we prepared for that season. Do we have safeguards that will ensure it continues to serve the Public interest?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Back to PIR<br></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:04 PM Liz Orembo via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">@Lordmwesh, history has it that it won the auction and was awarded .Org because of its public interest outfit.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Check this out <a href="http://www.ahfb2000.com/threads/1068-Verisign-loses-org?p=5368&viewfull=1" target="_blank">http://www.ahfb2000.com/threads/1068-Verisign-loses-org?p=5368&viewfull=1</a></div><div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 2, 2019, 19:03 Ali Hussein via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Mwendwa</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">I see your point. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">I just have one more question:-</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Who owns ISOC? That answer should put this conversation to rest. And were the owners consulted? :-)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b><font size="2" face="georgia, serif">Ali
Hussein</font></b></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>T<font size="2">el: +254 713 60<font size="2">1113</font></font><br></span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>Twitter: @AliHKassim</span><span></span></span></font></p><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif">
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<span style="font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:15 PM Mwendwa Kivuva <<a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Of course reading Kieren McCarthy's articles will never give a balanced view. He looks at things from the most cynical perspective.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yes, we have been following the debate keenly. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Ali, here is ICANN's allegedly response <a href="https://domainnamewire.com/2019/11/30/icann-says-it-does-not-have-authority-over-org-transaction/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://domainnamewire.com/2019/11/30/icann-says-it-does-not-have-authority-over-org-transaction/</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And you cannot really compare the sale as selling a public playground. The .org was owned 100% by PIR and in extension ISOC. It is not owned by communities, neither is it owned by non profits. Don't let names like Ethos Capital or Public Interest Registry fool you. It is all commercial. ISOC won a competitive bid to manage the .org in 2003, and they have ultimate authority over how they profit from it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Here I some good reading on the debacle:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">1. The interesting connection between the .Org deal and ICANN <a href="https://domainnamewire.com/2019/11/13/the-interesting-connection-between-the-org-deal-and-icann/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://domainnamewire.com/2019/11/13/the-interesting-connection-between-the-org-deal-and-icann/</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">2. Ethos paid $1.135 billion for .Org <a href="https://domainnamewire.com/2019/11/29/ethos-paid-1-135-billion-for-org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://domainnamewire.com/2019/11/29/ethos-paid-1-135-billion-for-org/</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">3. ISOC CEO repeats the registry competition fallacy <a href="https://domainnamewire.com/2019/11/26/isoc-ceo-repeats-the-registry-competition-fallacy/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://domainnamewire.com/2019/11/26/isoc-ceo-repeats-the-registry-competition-fallacy/</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">4. ISOC chapter breaks ranks, criticizes deal to sell .Org <a href="https://domainnamewire.com/2019/11/27/isoc-chapter-breaks-ranks-criticizes-deal-to-sell-org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://domainnamewire.com/2019/11/27/isoc-chapter-breaks-ranks-criticizes-deal-to-sell-org/</a></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 2, 2019, 14:03 Ali Hussein via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Sidney</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Thanks for sharing. This is akin to selling public land assigned for public good to a private developer. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">What is going on? And what is ICANN's response to this? </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"> </div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b><font size="2" face="georgia, serif">Ali
Hussein</font></b></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>T<font size="2">el: +254 713 60<font size="2">1113</font></font><br></span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>Twitter: @AliHKassim</span><span></span></span></font></p><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif">
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<span style="font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 1:12 PM Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div>Have you all be keeping tabs on the sale of the the .org TLD? </div><div>Catch up here:</div><div>Internet world despairs as non-profit .org sold for $$$$ to private equity firm, price caps axed: <a href="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_shambles/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_shambles/</a></div><div>Please take some time to oppose this here: <a href="https://savedotorg.org/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://savedotorg.org/</a><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><font size="2">Regards,</font></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:small">Sidney</span><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><table style="font-family:verdana;font-size:11px;color:rgb(51,61,71)" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="middle" height="20"><font size="2"><strong><br>Twitter:</strong> <a href="https://twitter.com/princelySid" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">@princelySid</a> | <b>Web: </b><a href="http://sidneyochieng.co.ke/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">sidneyochieng.co.ke</a><br><b>Skype: </b>sidney.ochieng | <b>Github:</b> <a href="https://github.com/princelySid" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">princelySid</a></font><br></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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