<div><div dir="auto">Thank you @Timothy. </div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Are there any drawbacks to your proposal? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">@Mwara I think the purpose of the Bill is anybody’s guess at this time. But there are clues hidden in the amendments that show some cleverness on the MPs part. Eg:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><b><i>841B. A licensee may collect, use, preserve, and share information of its user where it is reasonably necessary to respond to a legal process.</i></b><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This could point to the never ending thirst to make user information available. This is not without severe constitutional consequences. </div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 at 21:51, Timothy- Coach- Oriedo via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hi Listers,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I did an article over a year ago offering a technical view around how the government can monitize social media... Full article is on this link.. and excerpt below</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.predictiveanalytics.co.ke/blog/big-data/facebook-key-take-away-for-our-local-context-from-mark-zuckerbergs-congressional-testimony/" target="_blank">https://www.predictiveanalytics.co.ke/blog/big-data/facebook-key-take-away-for-our-local-context-from-mark-zuckerbergs-congressional-testimony/</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><p style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 25px;list-style:none;border:0px;outline:none;line-height:26px;color:rgb(44,47,52);font-family:-apple-system,blinkmacsystemfont,"segoe ui",roboto,oxygen,oxygen-sans,ubuntu,cantarell,"helvetica neue","open sans",sans-serif;font-size:15px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> We hence need to figure a way of tapping the growing revenues that Facebook mops from our market. The first step to achieving that will be to institute a Data Residency and Sovereignty legislation that will compel Facebook and other platforms to domicile the data generated by our netizens within our borders.<br style="padding:0px;margin:0px;list-style:none;border:0px;outline:none">Secondly it will be to model a taxation model that could be based on the absolute revenues that Facebook makes.<br style="padding:0px;margin:0px;list-style:none;border:0px;outline:none">Here’s a breakdown of how much ad revenue Facebook generated per monthly active user across the globe in 2017 (excluding revenue generated from Instagram and WhatsApp):</p><ul style="padding:0px 0px 0px 15px;margin:0px 0px 20px 20px;list-style:none;border:0px;outline:none;color:rgb(44,47,52);font-family:-apple-system,blinkmacsystemfont,"segoe ui",roboto,oxygen,oxygen-sans,ubuntu,cantarell,"helvetica neue","open sans",sans-serif;font-size:15px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 5px;list-style:none disc;border:0px;outline:none"><span style="padding:0px;margin:0px;list-style:none;border:0px;outline:none;font-weight:600">US & Canada = $82.44</span></li><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 5px;list-style:none disc;border:0px;outline:none"><span style="padding:0px;margin:0px;list-style:none;border:0px;outline:none;font-weight:600">Europe = $26.94</span></li><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 5px;list-style:none disc;border:0px;outline:none"><span style="padding:0px;margin:0px;list-style:none;border:0px;outline:none;font-weight:600">Asia-Pacific = $8.86</span></li><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 5px;list-style:none disc;border:0px;outline:none"><span style="padding:0px;margin:0px;list-style:none;border:0px;outline:none;font-weight:600">Rest of World = $6.15</span></li><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 5px;list-style:none disc;border:0px;outline:none"><span style="padding:0px;margin:0px;list-style:none;border:0px;outline:none;font-weight:600">Worldwide = $19.84</span></li></ul><p style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 25px;list-style:none;border:0px;outline:none;line-height:26px;color:rgb(44,47,52);font-family:-apple-system,blinkmacsystemfont,"segoe ui",roboto,oxygen,oxygen-sans,ubuntu,cantarell,"helvetica neue","open sans",sans-serif;font-size:15px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Kenya for instance falls under the rest of the world bracket and from the latest State of the Internet Report by Bloggers Association Of Kenya BAKE it indicates that we have an average of 8 Million active users on Facebook meaning Facebook makes an average of over US$ 48 Million Dollars per month from advertising in Kenyan territory this translates to Kshs4Billion</p></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 8:54 PM mwara gichanga via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
<div>@Mercy thank you for taking lead on this very vital discussion</div><div><br></div><div>Yes I do think its important to understand the intention of the bill and why Hon Injendi is pushing for it, to get a clear comprehension of it as misguided as it is</div><div><br></div><div>Further the effects and ramifications of the bill include pushing the digital divide and exclusion deeper as wananchi specifically those classified as bloggers and social media platforms, will not only have to worry about issues of internet accessibility but also the affordability of its use, violating freedom of expression.<span style="font-size:18px"></span></div><div><br></div>
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<div><div id="m_-510291687750314541m_6795680656906150897m_2941498331449447180ydp192dba4yiv9443104013"><div><div>I see the comments coming in. Thank you. </div><div><br></div><div>Here is more to ponder on: </div><div><br></div><div>The Amendment will require that all bloggers register with the Commission (Read Communication Authority of Kenya) perhaps on the payment of a fee. Failure to register will be a criminal offense. </div></div><div><br></div><div>So <b>1</b>. <b>Licensing of the social media platform</b></div><div><b> 2. Registration of bloggers. </b></div><div><b><br></b></div><div>I like the question Mwendwa posed. What is news. If I’m walking by town and I witness an accident first hand- take a photo and break that information on my Whatsapp Status or Instagram stories or on Twitter- am I blogger? Will I have committed an offense? </div><div><br><div><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 at 14:55, Mwendwa Kivuva <<a href="mailto:lordmwesh@gmail.com" rel="nofollow noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">lordmwesh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>According to the bill, <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">"</span><b style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><i>blogging" means collecting, writing, editing and presenting of news or news articles in social media platforms or in the internet;</i></b><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Anything that is not news is not a blog. The bill is defining blogging with the intention of regulating opinion on news. So that you would need a license to comment on any newsworthy event. Probably, the next question should be, what is the definition of News? Other questions are, if you blog fake news, will that also be blogging? Is fake news under the definition of blogging?</div><br><br><b style="font-family:sans-serif"><i>"social media platforms" includes online publishing and discussion, media sharing, blogging, social networking, document and data sharing repositories, social media applications, social bookmarking and widgets;</i></b><br><br>KICTAnet has a document repository for sharing policy briefs and reports. Does that make KICTAnet a social media platform? Will KICTAnet need a license to operate it's website?<br><br><div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 14:05 kanini mutemi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="nofollow noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote></div></div></div><div><div><div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Are we worried about the definition of ‘social media platform’</div></div><div><br></div><div>The amendment proposes that for a social media platform to ‘operate’ in Kenya, they must seek a license. To get the license, they will have to comply with some obligations eg having an office in Kenya. </div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 at 13:44, Mildred Achoch <<a href="mailto:mildandred@gmail.com" rel="nofollow noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">mildandred@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I think posting on Twitter is covered under the term microblogging. My follow up question then is: does this include retweeting or liking someone else's tweet? If someone from another country criticizes a leader in Kenya, then I retweet this 280 character criticism, have I carried out the action of "blogging"?<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Mildred.</div><div><br><br>On Wednesday, October 23, 2019, kanini mutemi <<a href="mailto:kaninimutemi@gmail.com" rel="nofollow noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kaninimutemi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>@Mildred, </div></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for starting us off. </div><div><br></div><div>Would you say someone posting on Twitter (280 characters) would also fall under the broad definition of blogger? Drawing this from ‘<b>writing on social media platforms</b>’</div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 at 13:21, Mildred Achoch <<a href="mailto:mildandred@gmail.com" rel="nofollow noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">mildandred@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Listers,<div><br></div><div>First, thank you for the opportunity to discuss this. I have very many initial thoughts but let me begin with the definition of blogging. I think it is important to look at the history of blogging as this will expand the definition of the term beyond just news items. On the ground, many bloggers like myself don't even concern themselves with news. For example, I have a poetry blog that is largely inactive but is still a "LOG" of my previous creative activities.</div><div><br></div><div>Wikipedia has outlined what a blog is: <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog" rel="nofollow noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog</a></div><div><br></div><div>If we are to follow the definition of blogging that is outlined in this bill, does it mean then that blogs which do not deal with news will be exempt? If a blog deals with the history of Kenya, is this still news or not? What about satire based on news items? Parody? Memes?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Mildred Achoch.</div><div><br><br>On Wednesday, October 23, 2019, kanini mutemi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="nofollow noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Good morning Listers, </div><div><br></div><div>As GG had alerted us last week, there is a bill before the National Assembly that seeks to amend the Kenya Information and Communication Act by including a part on Regulation of Social Media. </div><div><br></div><div>I will lead us on a discussion on this Bill. </div><div><br></div><div>Between 2016 to date, we have seen many attempts to regulate social media conduct. Interestingly, one such attempt, the Computer Misuse and Cybercrimes Act, where many of its sections on regulation of social media, have been suspended is coming up for hearing today. Now we tackle yet another attempt to ‘fix’ social media. </div><div><br></div><div>To start with, I will post the definitions proposed in the bill of the word ‘social media platform’ and ‘blogging’:</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>"<b><i>blogging" means collecting, writing, editing and presenting of news or news articles in social media platforms or in the internet;</i></b></div><div><b><i><br></i></b></div><div><b><i>"social media platforms" includes online publishing and discussion, media sharing, blogging, social networking, document and data sharing repositories, social media applications, social bookmarking and widgets;</i></b></div><div><br></div><div>What are your initial thoughts? What ‘problem’ is Hon. Injendi trying to fix with this bill? Who will fall under those definitions? Contributions are welcome. </div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><b>Mercy Mutemi, Advocate</b>. <br></span></div></div><div><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><b><i><br></i></b></span></div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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