<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Jimmy</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Before we discuss pay let's rather discuss the concept of apprenticeship and internship. Let's go back to the basics, way back when being an apprentice was something to be proud of. You were learning a trade. You were learning to be disciplined. You were learning to be a part of society. And society had a responsibility to you much like you had a responsibility to society. The ecosystem to enable comprised Universities, National and Village Polytechnics. The apprentices included graduates, Diploma Holders etc. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">The system is broken.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Employers are misusing the system. Interns are misusing the systems. Society watches helplessly.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">This is the conversation we must have. Pay should be part of the bigger picture. Focusing on pay alone is missing the point.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Regards</div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><br></font></b></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"> </span>Ali Hussein</font></b></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Principal</font></b></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><b>AHK & Associates</b></font></p><font size="2"> </font><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"> </font></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>T<font size="2">el: +254 713 60<font size="2">1113</font></font><br></span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>Twitter: @AliHKassim</span><span></span></span></font></p><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"> </span></font><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>Skype: abu-jomo</span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a></span><a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"></span></a></span></font></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></span></font></p><p style="font-size:small;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:georgia;color:black">13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:arial"></span></p><p style="font-size:small;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:georgia;color:black">Chiromo Road, Westlands,</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:arial"></span></p><p style="font-size:small;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:georgia;color:black">Nairobi, Kenya.</span></p><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span><br><font size="1">Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.</font></span></span></font><span style="font-family:"Baskerville Old Face","serif";font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-size:11pt"></span> <span style="font-family:"Baskerville Old Face","serif""></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 2:04 PM Jimmy Gitonga <<a href="mailto:jimmygitts@gmail.com">jimmygitts@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div>Ali,</div><div><br></div>"<span style="font-family:georgia,serif">Let us have candid conversations around changing mindsets - both from a corporate perspective and an internee/apprentice perspective.</span><font face="georgia, serif">” is what you said and my </font> "Swopping out internship with apprenticeship does not answer the underlying question.” did not convey that I was agreeing with you. I accept that.<div><br></div><div>So to get to having candid conversations around changing mindsets, I asked the questions; Who should pay for interns to flourish in private organisations? Should the company pay for the labour? Should the intern pay for the opportunity and experience?? Who owes who?</div><div><br></div><div><span style="text-align:-webkit-auto">Best Regards,</span></div><div><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:normal;border-spacing:0px"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><span class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;border-spacing:0px"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><span class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;border-spacing:0px"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><span class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;border-spacing:0px"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div><div style="font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:normal;color:rgb(68,26,15);font-family:Garamond;font-size:16px;margin:0px"><b>Jimmy Gitonga</b></div><div style="font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:normal;color:rgb(68,26,15);font-family:Garamond;margin:0px;font-size:14px;min-height:16px"><b></b><br></div><div style="font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:normal;margin:0px"><div style="font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:normal;margin:0px"><font color="#441a0f"><i>Web Software Design and Development </i></font></div><div style="font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:normal;margin:0px"><font color="#441a0f"><i><b>LinkedIn:</b> Jimmy Gitonga | <b>Twitter:</b> @Afrowave</i></font></div><div style="font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:normal;margin:0px;color:rgb(236,127,45)">______________________________________</div></div></div><div><br></div></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></div><span style="color:rgb(68,26,15)"><b>Web</b>:</span><span> </span><a href="http://afroshok.com" target="_blank"><font color="#44190f">afroshok.com</font></a></div><br class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 4 Apr 2019, at 4:35 PM, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Jimmy</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">I encourage you to read my email again. You seem to have missed my point. :-)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Ali Hussein</font></b></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Principal</font></b></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><b>AHK & Associates</b></font></div><font size="2"> </font><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"> </font></p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>T<font size="2">el: +254 713 60<font size="2">1113</font></font><br></span></span></font></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>Twitter: @AliHKassim</span><span></span></span></font></div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"> </span></font><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>Skype: abu-jomo</span></span></font></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a></span><a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"></span></a></span></font></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></span></font></div><div style="font-size:small;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:georgia">13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:arial"></span></div><div style="font-size:small;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:georgia">Chiromo Road, Westlands,</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:arial"></span></div><div style="font-size:small;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:georgia">Nairobi, Kenya.</span></div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span><br><font size="1">Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.</font></span></span></font><span style="font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-size:11pt"></span> <span style="font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 3:24 PM Jimmy Gitonga <<a href="mailto:jimmygitts@gmail.com" target="_blank">jimmygitts@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Hapo sawa Brathe, :-D<div><br></div><div>I think what we are really asking is a societal question. Unpaid internships are not illegal. Swopping out internship with apprenticeship does not answer the underlying question.</div><div><br></div><div>Why should internships be paid for? The answer is a social impact one, not a business one. It being construed as a business decision is what people are up in arms about. Internship is a "giving back", "paying forward” or “leg up" kind of thing.</div><div><br></div><div>Who should pay for interns to flourish in private organisations? Should the company pay for the labour? Should the intern pay for the opportunity and experience?? Who owes who?</div><div><br><div>
<div style="letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881gmail-m_-2265442099801094287Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;border-spacing:0px"><div><span class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881gmail-m_-2265442099801094287Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;border-spacing:0px"><div><div style="font-weight:normal">With the best regards,</div><div><b>Jimmy Gitonga</b></div><div style="font-weight:normal"><br></div></div></span><br class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881gmail-m_-2265442099801094287Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881gmail-m_-2265442099801094287Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881gmail-m_-2265442099801094287Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881gmail-m_-2265442099801094287Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 4 Apr 2019, at 11:23 AM, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881gmail-m_-2265442099801094287Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:georgia,serif">Jimmy</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:georgia,serif">Let me be clear and remove my 'cleverness' :-)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:georgia,serif">My deep conviction is this:-</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font face="georgia, serif">We are bucking the wrong tree. Let's go back to the basics. Let's redefine what an internship/apprenticeship means. Firstly, let's accept that the internship concept has been so bastardized that it has lost meaning. I would like at this point to replace internship with apprenticeship. Apprenticeship used to mean:-</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font face="georgia, serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font face="georgia, serif"><b>A person who is learning a trade from a skilled employer, having agreed to work for a fixed period at low wages.</b></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font face="georgia, serif"><b><br></b></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font face="georgia, serif">Let us have candid conversations around changing mindsets - both from a corporate perspective and an internee/apprentice perspective.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font face="georgia, serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font face="georgia, serif">Regards</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font face="georgia, serif"><b><font size="2"><br></font></b></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font face="georgia, serif"><b><font size="2">Ali Hussein</font></b></font></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881gmail-m_-2265442099801094287gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Principal</font></b></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><b>AHK & Associates</b></font></div><font size="2"></font><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"> </font></p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>T<font size="2">el: +254 713 60<font size="2">1113</font></font><br></span></span></font></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>Twitter: @AliHKassim</span><span></span></span></font></div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"></span></font><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>Skype: abu-jomo</span></span></font></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span>LinkedIn:<span class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881gmail-m_-2265442099801094287Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a></span><a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"></span></a></span></font></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></span></font></div><div style="font-size:small;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:georgia">13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:arial"></span></div><div style="font-size:small;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:georgia">Chiromo Road, Westlands,</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:arial"></span></div><div style="font-size:small;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:georgia">Nairobi, Kenya.</span></div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span><br><font size="1">Any information of a personal nature<span class="gmail-m_4191239298431787881gmail-m_-2265442099801094287Apple-converted-space"> </span></font></span></span></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div>
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