<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Ali,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>"<span style="font-family: georgia, serif;" class="">Let us have candid conversations around changing mindsets - both from a corporate perspective and an internee/apprentice perspective.</span><font face="georgia, serif" class="">” is what you said and my </font> "Swopping out internship with apprenticeship does not answer the underlying question.” did not convey that I was agreeing with you. I accept that.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So to get to having candid conversations around changing mindsets, I asked the questions; Who should pay for interns to flourish in private organisations? Should the company pay for the labour? Should the intern pay for the opportunity and experience?? Who owes who?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="text-align: -webkit-auto;" class="">Best Regards,</span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; 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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 4 Apr 2019, at 4:35 PM, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" class="">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Jimmy</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">I encourage you to read my email again. You seem to have missed my point. :-)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br class=""></div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class=""><b class=""><font face="georgia, serif" size="2" class="">Ali Hussein</font></b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class=""><b class=""><font face="georgia, serif" size="2" class="">Principal</font></b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class=""><font face="georgia, serif" size="2" class=""><b class="">AHK & Associates</b></font></div><font size="2" class=""> </font><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt" class=""><font size="2" class=""> </font></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif" class=""><span class="">T<font size="2" class="">el: +254 713 60<font size="2" class="">1113</font></font><br class=""></span></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif" class=""><span class="">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span><span class=""></span></span></font></div><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif" class=""> </span></font><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif" class=""><span class="">Skype: abu-jomo</span></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif" class=""><span class="">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank" class="">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a></span><a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none" class=""></span></a></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div style="font-size: small; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: georgia;" class="">13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:arial" class=""></span></div><div style="font-size: small; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: georgia;" class="">Chiromo Road, Westlands,</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:arial" class=""></span></div><div style="font-size: small; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: georgia;" class="">Nairobi, Kenya.</span></div><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif" class=""><span class=""><br class=""><font size="1" class="">Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.</font></span></span></font><span style="font-family:"Baskerville Old Face","serif";font-size:11pt" class=""></span><span style="font-size:11pt" class=""></span> <span style="font-family:"Baskerville Old Face","serif"" class=""></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 3:24 PM Jimmy Gitonga <<a href="mailto:jimmygitts@gmail.com" class="">jimmygitts@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="">Hapo sawa Brathe, :-D<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think what we are really asking is a societal question. Unpaid internships are not illegal. Swopping out internship with apprenticeship does not answer the underlying question.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Why should internships be paid for? The answer is a social impact one, not a business one. It being construed as a business decision is what people are up in arms about. Internship is a "giving back", "paying forward” or “leg up" kind of thing.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Who should pay for interns to flourish in private organisations? Should the company pay for the labour? Should the intern pay for the opportunity and experience?? Who owes who?</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
<div style="letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span class="gmail-m_-2265442099801094287Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class=""><span class="gmail-m_-2265442099801094287Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div style="font-weight:normal" class="">With the best regards,</div><div class=""><b class="">Jimmy Gitonga</b></div><div style="font-weight:normal" class=""><br class=""></div></div></span><br class="gmail-m_-2265442099801094287Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="gmail-m_-2265442099801094287Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br class="gmail-m_-2265442099801094287Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="gmail-m_-2265442099801094287Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 4 Apr 2019, at 11:23 AM, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank" class="">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-2265442099801094287Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:georgia,serif">Jimmy</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:georgia,serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:georgia,serif">Let me be clear and remove my 'cleverness' :-)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:georgia,serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:georgia,serif">My deep conviction is this:-</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:georgia,serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font face="georgia, serif" class="">We are bucking the wrong tree. Let's go back to the basics. Let's redefine what an internship/apprenticeship means. Firstly, let's accept that the internship concept has been so bastardized that it has lost meaning. I would like at this point to replace internship with apprenticeship. Apprenticeship used to mean:-</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font face="georgia, serif" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font face="georgia, serif" class=""><b class="">A person who is learning a trade from a skilled employer, having agreed to work for a fixed period at low wages.</b></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font face="georgia, serif" class=""><b class=""><br class=""></b></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font face="georgia, serif" class="">Let us have candid conversations around changing mindsets - both from a corporate perspective and an internee/apprentice perspective.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font face="georgia, serif" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font face="georgia, serif" class="">Regards</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font face="georgia, serif" class=""><b class=""><font size="2" class=""><br class=""></font></b></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font face="georgia, serif" class=""><b class=""><font size="2" class="">Ali Hussein</font></b></font></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_-2265442099801094287gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt" class=""><b class=""><font face="georgia, serif" size="2" class="">Principal</font></b></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt" class=""><font face="georgia, serif" size="2" class=""><b class="">AHK & Associates</b></font></div><font size="2" class=""></font><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt" class=""><font size="2" class=""> </font></p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt" class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif" class=""><span class="">T<font size="2" class="">el: +254 713 60<font size="2" class="">1113</font></font><br class=""></span></span></font></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt" class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif" class=""><span class="">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span><span class=""></span></span></font></div><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif" class=""></span></font><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt" class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif" class=""><span class="">Skype: abu-jomo</span></span></font></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt" class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif" class=""><span class="">LinkedIn:<span class="gmail-m_-2265442099801094287Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank" class="">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a></span><a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none" class=""></span></a></span></font></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt" class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div style="font-size:small;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt" class=""><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:georgia" class="">13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:arial" class=""></span></div><div style="font-size:small;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt" class=""><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:georgia" class="">Chiromo Road, Westlands,</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:arial" class=""></span></div><div style="font-size:small;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt" class=""><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:georgia" class="">Nairobi, Kenya.</span></div><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif" class=""><span class=""><br class=""><font size="1" class="">Any information of a personal nature<span class="gmail-m_-2265442099801094287Apple-converted-space"> </span></font></span></span></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div>
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