<div dir='auto'>Interesting questions from Patrick and responses from Ebele and Ali.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The Internet grew out of collaboration and cooperation. That is how it continues to develop and that is how we can secure it as a platform and protect its benefits to all. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">At the Internet Society, and in relation to security of the infrastructure, we emphasise "collaborative security". The same multi-stakeholder philosophy should apply in the case of policing. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 Nov 2018 18:13, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<p>At no point did I say that the community has a duty to report or that the community is to blame. Facebook responds to the community when the report. This gives the community the power to let us know when something is wrong. Why would anyone
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<p>Would it be preferable to have a platform where every single post, picture, comment is subject to pre-clearance, by Facebook? I find it odd that anyone interested in free expression would want such a model.</p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">kictanet <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of "Patrick A. M. Maina via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br />
<b>Reply-To: </b>"Patrick A. M. Maina" <pmaina2000@yahoo.com>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br />
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 2:44 PM<br />
<b>To: </b>Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi@fb.com><br />
<b>Cc: </b>"Patrick A. M. Maina" <pmaina2000@yahoo.com><br />
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [kictanet] [should the victims be blamed? aren't platforms responsible as enablers and amplifiers?] Child marriage on facebook</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman' , serif">1. Do social media/messaging platform play a role in crime as amplifiers, enablers?</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman' , serif">4. If indeed the community has a duty to help FB police its platform, will FB also share its revenues with the community seeing as they are its informal "employees" as well?
Or are they only buddies in bad times but strangers in good times?</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman' , serif;color:black">5. Do (or should) victims of social media enabled harm (including, say, businesses that lose sales due to chaos or governments whose economies are effectively
sabotaged) have recourse against the platform owner? To what extent? Who else should own the problem and why?</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman' , serif">I think the "deflect blame to the victims" script is unwise and could backfire. It would probably cause an uproar if used in more assertive parts of the world (i.e. in developed
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman' , serif">Good day listers,</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman' , serif">Patrick.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'helvetica neue';color:#26282a">On Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 3:52:31 PM GMT+3, Wainaina Mungai via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'helvetica neue';color:#26282a">Facebook as increased their staff significantly to help police what is posted. We may want not to blame the medium used and focus more on addressing the culture of
marrying off children of any gender in any country. That way, we remain focussed on 'children's rights'.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'helvetica neue';color:#26282a">The main offenders in this case are the "sellers" and "buyers" who took part in the auction.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'helvetica neue';color:#26282a">In the end, the extent of regulation will depend on mutistakeholder negotiations on the balance between an open Internet for all and the need to protect privacy,
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'helvetica neue';color:#26282a">On 20 Nov 2018 15:18, evelyne wanjiku via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'helvetica neue';color:#26282a">Im following a debate on cnn about this south sudanese 'baby bride' who was auctioned on fb. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'helvetica neue';color:#26282a">It brings me back to this question, who should regulate facebook? Some argue fb is too big to regulate all the things that happen on their platform. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'helvetica neue';color:#26282a">Who should police fb? Is it us? We have power to shut down our pages if we dont agree with what goes on in their...but we don't. Why?</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'helvetica neue';color:#26282a">Is it facebook? Do they care about being responsible especially in Africa?</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'helvetica neue';color:#26282a">Or should we just relax and face the beginning of the end by having an attitude of anything goes as long we have internet. </span></p>
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