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How do you think policing works in society?</div>
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<div>If not for community, exactly how should a platform of 2.4 billion people posting billions of pieces of content per hour, the vast majority of which is completely innocuous, work, in your view?</div>
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On Nov 20, 2018, at 3:43 PM, Patrick A. M. Maina <<a href="mailto:pmaina2000@yahoo.com">pmaina2000@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div style=""><font style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">It kinda looks a bit like an *nudged* duty.. :-) otherwise, why would low levels of reporting be an issue if the system does not heavily *rely* on community reporting (y<span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;">ay!
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<div style="">Are you sure that FB truly supports free expression or is it not that its just cheaper (more profitable) to offload policing to the community?<br>
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<div style=""><font style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">If the FB platform truly supported "free expression" things would be more complicated because instead of takedowns, you would use an *educating model* which is much harder to pull off. </font></div>
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<div style=""><font style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><b>a.</b> I'm curious how FB defines "free expression".</font></div>
<div style=""><font style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><b>b.</b> <span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;">On the Child marriage, FB acted after it was too late (girl had been
sold off). This suggests heavy reliance on community policing. Is this a form of wilful negligence on the platform part because by now FB is aware that it is being misused for anti-social purposes?</span></span></font></div>
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<div style=""><font style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Good evening.</font></div>
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<div style=""><font style="" size="2" face="verdana, helvetica, sans-serif">"<span></span>We continue to evolve our ability to detect violations on our platforms, but YES, it is YOU, the community, who helps to police the content on Facebook. </font></div>
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<div style=""><span style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">I continue to be struck by the incredibly low levels of reporting across our Continent. We continue to develop educational materials, but I am always surprised at how
few people, even in circles like this, know to report bad content into the platform."</span>
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<div>On Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 6:14:11 PM GMT+3, Ebele Okobi <<a href="mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com">ebeleokobi@fb.com</a>> wrote:
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<p class="ydp9384324eyiv6268806654MsoNormal">At no point did I say that the community has a duty to report or that the community is to blame. Facebook responds to the community when the report. This gives the community the power to let us know when something
is wrong. Why would anyone *<b>not</b>* want the ability to report? </p>
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<p class="ydp9384324eyiv6268806654MsoNormal">Would it be preferable to have a platform where every single post, picture, comment is subject to pre-clearance, by Facebook? I find it odd that anyone interested in free expression would want such a model.</p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> on behalf of "Patrick A. M. Maina via kictanet" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br clear="none">
<b>Reply-To: </b>"Patrick A. M. Maina" <<a href="mailto:pmaina2000@yahoo.com">pmaina2000@yahoo.com</a>>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br clear="none">
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 2:44 PM<br clear="none">
<b>To: </b>Ebele Okobi <<a href="mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com">ebeleokobi@fb.com</a>><br clear="none">
<b>Cc: </b>"Patrick A. M. Maina" <<a href="mailto:pmaina2000@yahoo.com">pmaina2000@yahoo.com</a>><br clear="none">
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [kictanet] [should the victims be blamed? aren't platforms responsible as enablers and amplifiers?] Child marriage on facebook</span></p>
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<p class="ydp9384324eyiv6268806654MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Some responses on this topic raise some interesting and important issues:</span></p>
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<p class="ydp9384324eyiv6268806654MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">1. Do social media/messaging platform play a role in crime as amplifiers, enablers?</span></p>
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<p class="ydp9384324eyiv6268806654MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">2. Would crimes be harder to pull off if such platform could, through enhanced technical functionality (which might not necessarily be profitable), not be easily used for organized
criminal purpose? </span></p>
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<p class="ydp9384324eyiv6268806654MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">3. Does the community owe the platform a duty to report (as alluded here, such that the community can be blamed for platform misuse)? How much blame does the community share?</span></p>
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<p class="ydp9384324eyiv6268806654MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">4. If indeed the community has a duty to help FB police its platform, will FB also share its revenues with the community seeing as they are its informal "employees" as well? Or are
they only buddies in bad times but strangers in good times?</span></p>
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against the platform owner? To what extent? Who else should own the problem and why?</span></p>
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<p class="ydp9384324eyiv6268806654MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">I think the "deflect blame to the victims" script is unwise and could backfire. It would probably cause an uproar if used in more assertive parts of the world (i.e. in developed countries/regions). </span></p>
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<p class="ydp9384324eyiv6268806654MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Good day listers,</span></p>
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<p class="ydp9384324eyiv6268806654MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">On Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 3:52:31 PM GMT+3, Wainaina Mungai via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:
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<p class="ydp9384324eyiv6268806654MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Facebook as increased their staff significantly to help police what is posted. We may want not to blame the medium used and focus more on addressing the culture of marrying off children
of any gender in any country. That way, we remain focussed on 'children's rights'.</span></p>
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<p class="ydp9384324eyiv6268806654MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">The main offenders in this case are the "sellers" and "buyers" who took part in the auction.</span></p>
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<p class="ydp9384324eyiv6268806654MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">In the end, the extent of regulation will depend on mutistakeholder negotiations on the balance between an open Internet for all and the need to protect privacy, security and human
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<p class="ydp9384324eyiv6268806654MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">On 20 Nov 2018 15:18, evelyne wanjiku via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="ydp9384324eyiv6268806654MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Im following a debate on cnn about this south sudanese 'baby bride' who was auctioned on fb. </span></p>
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<p class="ydp9384324eyiv6268806654MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">It brings me back to this question, who should regulate facebook? Some argue fb is too big to regulate all the things that happen on their platform. </span></p>
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<p class="ydp9384324eyiv6268806654MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Who should police fb? Is it us? We have power to shut down our pages if we dont agree with what goes on in their...but we don't. Why?</span></p>
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<p class="ydp9384324eyiv6268806654MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Is it facebook? Do they care about being responsible especially in Africa?</span></p>
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<p class="ydp9384324eyiv6268806654MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Or should we just relax and face the beginning of the end by having an attitude of anything goes as long we have internet. </span></p>
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