<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">We need to up the game on awareness. Great Software development skillsets are hard to come by and especially rare. Global market places exist that great coders can join and sell their skills globally. <div><br></div><div>In 2018 we should not be talking about local or global. We should be educating our people not just to code but how to market their skills globally. <br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">+254 0713 601113 </div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font></font></span><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a><a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration: none;"></span></a></span></p><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font></font></span><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"></p><font><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Blog: <a href="http://www.alyhussein.com/" target="_blank">www.alyhussein.com</a></span><br></font></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div>"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi</div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On 12 Nov 2018, at 3:52 PM, Clifford Derrick via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Barrack and Listers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I fully agree with this opinion, but before we throw rocks, let’s remember charity starts at home.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It is quite vital to raise local standards and awareness on dev and engineering skills plus the remuneration package that comes with being very skilled in niche sectors. The global marketplace would
be a good starting point but there are certain ‘barriers of entry’ so to speak. If local companies pay software developers 15k a month to tirelessly slog over code, why would a Silicon Valley start-up come in and pay the chap over 20 times that? Yes, that
would be the ethical thing to do but most companies do not run on ethics. They run on P&L. There’s a reason low tier supply chain manufacturing jobs are shifting to Vietnam, Ethiopia and Bangladesh and away from the traditional hubs…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Clifford<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces+clifford.derrick=liquidtelecom.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet-bounces+clifford.derrick=liquidtelecom.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Barrack Otieno via kictanet<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 November 2018 14:58<br>
<b>To:</b> Clifford Derrick <<a href="mailto:clifford.derrick@liquidtelecom.com">clifford.derrick@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Barrack Otieno <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Cheap AI coding labour?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Wainaina and listers,<br>
<br>
Unfortunately we don't have a culture of rewarding local innovations<br>
and pumping billions into local Research and Development. The global<br>
north has noticed the talent that abounds locally and is not<br>
hesitating in tapping into it. I wish we could invest more into our<br>
Vocational Institutions and provide funding that would help our<br>
innovators in the Jua Kali space to scale up. That said i would be<br>
curious to hear what ndugu Ali who has been involved in the start up<br>
phase or Harry Hare have to say since i consider them authorities in<br>
the space.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
On 11/12/18, Bernard Kioko via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
> Moral rights are not transferrable.<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 2:35 PM Patrick A. M. Maina via kictanet <<br>
> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Heehe $12,000 for the "best" source code (including moral rights - so you<br>
>> will never get credited if its a big hit) is a complete joke imo.<br>
>><br>
>> I would urge local developers to be cautious about these competitions and<br>
>> approach them strategically.<br>
>><br>
>> For example, you can use these kind of competitions as idea triggers to<br>
>> (lawfully) get clues and inspiration on what problems need solving<br>
>> (*without*<br>
>> participating or signing up, as that potentially binds you to their T&Cs)<br>
>> -<br>
>> then form teams/coalitions to solve these problems independently for a<br>
>> much<br>
>> bigger potential payoff.<br>
>><br>
>> On policy these things are happening because there are glaring loopholes<br>
>> in our intellectual property laws that allow *IP mining* to take place<br>
>> without any restriction or consequences. Its literally a free for all.<br>
>><br>
>> Kenya needs an "Intellectual Property Resources Act", which would<br>
>> invalidate exploitative contracts / terms and conditions is long overdue.<br>
>> This is the kind of 21st Century legislation that can stimulate<br>
>> innovation<br>
>> and the creation of *high quality jobs* in Kenya.<br>
>><br>
>> 21st Century resources include:<br>
>> 1. Attention or engagement (systems designed to distract people from<br>
>> contributing to economic activity)<br>
>> 2. Data (for mining/analytics or ML)<br>
>> 3. Source code, novel circuits, algorithms, chemical formulations,<br>
>> mixtures, blue prints (including business plans, pricing models etc).<br>
>> 4. Valuable ideas (e.g. "please call me") that cannot be protected via<br>
>> any<br>
>> combination of the old industrial era laws e.g. patents, copyright, UM &<br>
>> DM.<br>
>> 5. other?<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks for the heads up and Good day!<br>
>> Patrick.<br>
>><br>
>> On Monday, November 12, 2018, 2:01:43 PM GMT+3, Wainaina Mungai via<br>
>> kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Some developers are raising concerns privately that great initiatives<br>
>> such<br>
>> as Zindi are "cheaply buying AI code" from Africa<br>
>> <a href="https://zindi.africa/faq/data_scientists">https://zindi.africa/faq/data_scientists</a><br>
>><br>
>> According to them, "Zindi runs high-value expertise programming<br>
>> competitions/ hackathons in Kenya and Nigeria... and demands code in<br>
>> exchange for low pay prizes. It is unfairly low-cost labour for them."<br>
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