<div dir="auto">I hear you Walu. Very sound arguments.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There is one specific questions I wanted to get your view on; whether we should have an AGM in the first place (public or private). I'm still following up with the claim that no AGM has been held at KeNIC for 5 years or more. At least KeNIC could debunk this statement if they are responsive to community interests.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also Bwana Walu, private companies with private AGMs still publish annual reports. Is that so?</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Oct 5, 2018, 5:48 PM John Walu <<a href="mailto:walu.john@gmail.com">walu.john@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Public AGMs are more about the spirit of the Internet community/culture than the letter of Memorandum of Articles. <div><br></div><div>I am aware that a good number of African countries have their National/Top level domain registry run as a private entities/NGOs and it works. Indeed in Kenya, Dr. Shem Ochuodho & Randy Bush did the same for .KE for ten years before we opted to go the multi-stakeholder way through a very long 1<a href="https://www.iana.org/reports/2002/ke-report-20dec02.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">0yr re-delagation process</a>.<div><br></div><div>So the question is why would we adopt a multi-stakeholder governance approach and then in practice prefer to be more like a private entity (closed AGMs?). You cant have your cake and eat it, the Englishman would say. </div><div><br></div><div>If we chose to be a private (cake) so be it, we can go ahead and be as restrictive as is expected of private entities. But if we chose the multi-stakeholder approach (cake) we should be ready go through with what comes along with that - including often very noisy and public AGMs ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Do public AGMs add value? </div><div><br></div><div>I should think so. Even from a simple public awareness perspective, a public AGM gives an opportunity for the next generation of ICT leaders to begin to learn about the ecosystem. It also gets the public to know their Directors and perhaps more importantly, give Directors an opportunity to share their vision for the future, while accounting for past to the wider community.</div><div> <br></div><div>walu.</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 4:50 PM Mwendwa Kivuva <<a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks Walu. Let me follow you up with these questions. What if the board feels the AGM should restricted? Would it be enough if board resolutions, minutes, and annual reports are availed online, but the AGM remains restricted? What about the allegations that there has never been an AGM for several years? Is that standard practice? Is it even necessary to hold the AGMs?<div><br></div><div><br>On Friday, 5 October 2018, John Walu <<a href="mailto:walu.john@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">walu.john@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">@Kivuva,<div><br></div><div>I think that in whatever form and shape KENIC is, it should endeavour to have an open AGM. I used to sit on the <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Afrinic Board</a> and legally speaking, their constitution does not allow any Tom, Dick and Harry in their meetings, but in practice, AfriNIC AGMs are open to pretty much to anyone who can afford to be present in the room or online.</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, most of the times we got hit, and hit badly from the floor, but at the end of the day, it id help Afrinic move forward in terms of accountability and transparency which is a good thing for any public interest entity.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Anway, KENIC used to have open AGMs, so it should be quite easy to kick that back in - if the directors so wish. </div><div><br></div><div>my two Satoshis,</div><div><br></div><div>walu.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:16 AM Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">The debate on revitalising our .ke ccTLD registry continues today. Yesterday, we tackled Governance issues. Suggestions were made, the major ones dealing with Transparency at the .ke registry, and Equality on representation. Thank you for contributing, reading, and listening. Please feel free to continue contributing to that thread, as we go to the theme of the day.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Today we will tackle Stakeholder Engagement and Operational Issues.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"> </div><div dir="auto">Public / Stakeholder Engagements</div><div dir="auto">1. Should KeNIC hold Annual General Meetings? Is there value in holding the AGMs?</div><div dir="auto">2. When was the last AGM held?</div><div dir="auto">3. Can the annual reports, and deliberations of the AGMs be published on the KeNIC website?</div><div dir="auto">4. Should the AGM be open to the public?</div><div dir="auto">5. Accountability: How accountable is KeNIC? To whom does it account to? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Operational Issues</div><div dir="auto">1. A great effort has been made to popularise the .ke brand, including some popular advertisements, using patriotism to encourage Kenyans, and opening up the second level. But numbers don't lie. Currently, we are at around 80,000 .ke domains, while South Africa is at 1.3million. Is there more work that can be done to make .Ke popular? </div><div dir="auto">2. What are the challenges in selling the .ke brand? What are the opportunities?</div><div dir="auto">3. Is there a challenge in generating content for the KeNIC website? Some pages as noted yesterday have not been updated for some years now.</div><div dir="auto">4. What support does KeNIC give to Registrars?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Here are some statistics that I had shared on Tuesday, that may help in stimulating the debate.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Germany population 82.67 million</div><div dir="auto">.de domains: 16 million domains (one domain for every 5 people)</div><div dir="auto">Percentage Domain penetration: 19%</div><div dir="auto">.de is the third largest registry in the world and is ran by DENIC which is a non-regulated not-for-profit cooperative owned by registrars.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">South Africa Population 56 million</div><div dir="auto">.za domain: 1.3 million domains (one domain for every 46 people)</div><div dir="auto">Percentage Domain penetration: 2.3%</div><div dir="auto">.za is the largest ccTLD in Africa, managed and regulated by ZADNA which is an agency of South African government under the Department of Telecommunications and Postal Services.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Kenya population 50 million</div><div dir="auto">.ke domain: 79,773 domains (one domain for every 627 people)</div><div dir="auto">Percentage Domain penetration: 0.16%</div><div dir="auto">.ke is managed by KeNIC which is envisioned as a Public Private Partnership (PPP) entity</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Looking forward to a fruitful debate.</div></div></div>
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