<div dir="auto"><div>I hope Kamuzu Banda does not send his army my way. I'm just moderating.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thank you Ali and Wamathai for those very candid contributions. <br><br>I will put my comments inline.</div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Oct 4, 2018, 3:16 PM Admin CampusCiti <<a href="mailto:info@campusciti.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">info@campusciti.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Mwendwa and listers<div><br></div><div>Let me tell you all the real elephant in the room at KeNIC</div><div><br></div><div>1. The charter that defines KeNIC was changed without any major participation with the public. We need to go back to history. This history of change started when someone at CA (then the CCK) maneuvered the Board (I’m ashamed to say that I was a board member then) and included a clause in the Kenya Information and Communications Act 2012 that there will be a licensing regime for the country code top-level domain (Read KeNIC). Before this KeNIC was a true Multi-Stakeholder Organization with total accountability to the different stakeholders. We simply didn’t have the capacity to lobby enough and even if we did some board members were complicit and steeped in deceit. </div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.unodc.org/res/cld/document/ken/1930/information-and-communications-act_html/Kenya_Information_and_Communications_Act_2_of_1998.pdf" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.unodc.org/res/cld/document/ken/1930/information-and-communications-act_html/Kenya_Information_and_Communications_Act_2_of_1998.pdf</a></div><div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Is there anything wrong with KENIC being licensed? If I remember very well, the community was insisting that CA (then CCK) should not sit on the KENIC board so that it can perform it's regulatory role effectively without any conflict of interest. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Can KENIC be a multistakeholder entity and still continue being licensed by CA?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br></div><div>How do we solve this opaqueness that now bedevils KeNIC? </div><div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Another Elephant 🐘in the room. If we continue this way, we will have Amboseli.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br></div><div>CA holds a mighty sword. They can hold the licensing on pain of reconstituting the structural pillars of KeNIC.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Can the reconstituted structural pillars still remain opaque?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>2. Corporate Governance. Let me start by saying upfront. I’m not imputing any bad behavior on the part of the board. I’m simply saying that when there is darkness and opaqueness you must shine the light into it to remove any doubts. KeNIC belongs to Kenyans not some cherry picked organizations that purport to represent all of us. What I’m saying is not that the current organizations that are represented by the board are not legitimate. I’m saying they do not represent ALL Kenyans. If you read the Board Charter as it is you will also see glaring issues regarding the current stakeholders. The concept of equality has been thrown out of the window. Some stakeholders are more equal than others. </div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Equality in representation of all stakeholders stand out here as a major concern. Wamathai has also raised the same issue. I hope Wamathai can give more clarification on those stakeholders, who they are, their constitution, membership, etc.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br></div><div>3. Corporate Governance. Time limits must as a matter of principle be reconstituted in the Board Charter. It’s imperative. You can’t have Board Members behave like Life President Kamuzu Banda. </div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Well said. <span style="font-family:sans-serif">As far as I can tell, Drake, one of the members of KENIC has had some fair turnover of board members. We had Ali Hussein a founder member of Drake, who gave way to Rose Maghas, and now Kariba Moko.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">As far as not growing roots, on the board, what term limits should be proposed?</span></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br></div><div>4. Corporate Governance. The Board MUST be answerable to stakeholders at an AGM. It’s shocking that the last AGM was held I think in 2012. </div><div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Can someone at KENIC confirm that the last AGM was 6 years ago?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br></div><div>I can go on and on b<span>ut if we deal with these fundamentals the rest will sort itself out.</span></div><div><br><div id="m_315594161448340834m_-2099106473226294613m_505239652485269119AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><div><span><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium">+254 0713 601113 </div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"><br></div><div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font></font></span><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a><a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:none"></span></a></span></p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font></font></span><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"></p><font><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Blog: <a href="http://www.alyhussein.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">www.alyhussein.com</a></span><br></font></div><div><span><br></span></div><div>"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi</div><div><span><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On 4 Oct 2018, at 1:02 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Thanks Grace for setting the ball rolling. As much as every stakeholder is important, one key stakeholder is the .ke user (and domain registrants). On the several occasions we have had downtime at the registry, we have seen the outcry from the users. From internet banking websites that will not work, to news websites being inaccessible, to e-commerce platforms loosing sales revenue.<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Maybe someone from KENIC board level, or comms at KENIC can respond on the issues Grace has raised which are</div><div dir="auto">1. How board is constituted.</div><div dir="auto">2. If minutes of board meetings should always be made public. </div><div dir="auto">3. If KENIC is really a PPPodel, and how the different stakeholders are brought to the table.</div><div dir="auto">4. Issue of staff attrition, and why there is constantly turnover of strategic, and technical staff.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">From where I sit, I don't see any problem in having public board meetings. KENIC is a monopoly in the .ke space, and there is no problem in having deliberations of the board made public.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I would also add from my previous questions</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">e) How accountable is the KENIC board, and to whom does it account to?</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">Maybe I can call out some Lister's who have had strong views on the strategic direction of KENIC to also give their voice, that is Ali Hussein, and even Kariba Moko who have been on the KENIC board. </div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">I am also attaching the KENIC board charter that was shared on the list last week</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Oct 4, 2018, 2:37 PM Grace Bomu <<a href="mailto:nmutungu@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">nmutungu@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Kivuva, <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">You explained that KENIC is run on a PPP model but from the website, it is run more like a private entity. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Perhaps there are good reasons why for example CEOs are kicked out every so often but without transparency, we can only speculate. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">A starting point would be to publish minutes of board meetings plus other important corporate reports so that the public can be informed. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">And on the issue of board composition, we would have a more meaningful discussion if we knew how board seats are arrived at. Is it a space for registrars only or should we imagine it as a public resource where there should be representation of public interest as well as users? <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Regards, <br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Il giorno gio 4 ott 2018 alle ore 08:18 Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">The debate on revitalising KENIC will seek to tackle the following :</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">1. Governance Issues</div><div dir="auto">2. Public /Stakeholder Engagements</div><div dir="auto">3. Operational Issues</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Today Day1, we will seek to address the Governance issues.</div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">There is no restriction to debate the other two issues, or any other issue you feel is important, although we will strive to answer the other two issues tomorrow. </div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">How is the board currently constituted?</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">KENIC was licensed by CA in 2015 to manage the .ke namespace following gazzettement of new Information and Communication Regulations. Currently. The KENIC board comprises members from Kenya Education Network (KENET), Domain Registrars Association of Kenya (DRAKE), ICT Authority (ICTA), and Technology Service Providers of Kenya (TESPOK). There are associate directors comprising the immediate past Chairman of the board, and some three other organisations (Google, KO Associates, and ICEA Lion). More clarification on the current board is needed since their website is blank on this. The KENIC page on the board was last updated in 2014 <a href="http://kenic.or.ke/index.php/en/home/kenic-board-management" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://kenic.or.ke/index.php/en/home/kenic-board-management</a></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">Questions that come to mind at this point are</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">a) Is a review of the governance structure at KENIC due? How would that structure look like?</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">b) Which Organisations should nominate Directors? Which stakeholder groups should be involved?<br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><div dir="auto">c) What are the term limits for Directors?</div><div dir="auto">d) How should the Chairperson of the board be selected? </div></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">Additional questions are welcomed, as we get suggestions from the wider community on the best way to manage our .ke registry.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">Take it away.</div></div></div>
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