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On Thursday, 20 September 2018, 11:52:03 GMT+3, kanini mutemi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><div><font class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px;">Good question Grace. I propose–</font><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><font class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px;"><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"></font></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><font class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px;">Data protection should not die with the person. This does not mean that the data subjects rights should be transferred to executors or administrators. <br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"></font><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><font class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px;"><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"></font></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><font class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px;">1. Some rights should be attached to the person. e.g. access and consent . This right should die with the person. </font></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><font class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px;">2. Retention of data should be subject to the Limitation of Actions Act to allow executors and administrators to bring any law suits for which that data could be used as evidence. </font></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><font class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px;"><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"></font></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><font class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px;">I am uncomfortable with dealing with data as inheritable property generally. Using the example of land- once land is transferred to heirs, they own it- they could do anything with it. Including lease it out to your sworn enemies. Imagine what they could do with your entire digital footprint. Right to privacy goes hand in hand with the right to dignity. The question should be- how do we preserve the legacy of this person as they left it? </font></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><div><blockquote class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" type="cite"><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008">On 19 Sep 2018, at 06:21, Thomas Kaberi via kictanet <<a shape="rect" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;">Thanks Grace for bringing this up. <div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008">I think we can borrow from the financial laws as to how to handle the rights of accessories and handling of data as personal property. </div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008">However we have to consider the following:</div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008">That data is not a drainable asset.</div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008">That currency is a key value aspect of data and thus immediate access may be of interest to some parties. E.g. health practitioners, </div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008">Given the interconnectedness value of data, preservation and exposure of the same may have impact in other parties I. E. Close relations.</div></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008gmail_extra" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;"><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008gmail_quote">On Sep 12, 2018 11:58 PM, "Grace Bomu via kictanet" <<a shape="rect" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><blockquote class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" dir="ltr"><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">Listers,<span class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">As we continue to discuss the data protection bill, an issue that has come up and is not captured in the proposed laws is the issue of legacy.<span class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">For example, a viral clipping in social media has a newspaper report stating that a woman who was recently murdered was HIV positive. Normally, HIV status is sensitive personal information that would not be disclosed.<span class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">Which begs the question, what should happen to personal data on the death of a person? Should we treat data as property that is transferred during succession or should anyone with a legitimate interest be able to access it? Should data processors/controllers have to delete such data?<span class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">Is this something that should be addressed in the proposed law or should we wait for judicial interpretation?<br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br clear="all" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"></div><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008">--<span class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008m_-8476762248640829772gmail_signature" dir="ltr"><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" dir="ltr"><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" dir="ltr"><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" dir="ltr"><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" dir="ltr"><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008">Grace Mutung'u<span class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008">Skype: gracebomu<br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008">@Bomu<br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><span class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" style="font-size:12.8px;">PGP ID : 0x33A3450F</span><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"></div><div class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008">kictanet mailing list<br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><a shape="rect" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><a shape="rect" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008">Twitter:<span class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008Apple-converted-space"> </span><a shape="rect" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" href="http://twitter.com/kictanet" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/kictanet</a><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008">Facebook:<span class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008Apple-converted-space"> </span><a shape="rect" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" href="https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/</a><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008">Domain Registration sponsored by<span class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008Apple-converted-space"> </span><a shape="rect" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" href="http://www.eacdirectory.co.ke/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.eacdirectory.co.ke</a><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008">Unsubscribe or change your options at<span class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008Apple-converted-space"> </span><a shape="rect" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008" href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/thomaskaberi%40gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/thomaskaberi%40gmail.com</a><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008"><br clear="none" class="ydp4f97e889yiv2462755008">The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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