<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Mercy,</div><div><br></div><div>Lest we forget Artificial Intelligence is Subject to Human Intelligence. AI is simply programming a tool that can then enhance efficiency within a particular environment. The Programmers are subject to the Laws of a certain jurisdiction within which they operate and in the case of cross border work subject to International Instruments. Assuming the act being debated is enacted , it will affect those developing or deploying Artificial Intelligence within our Jurisdiction.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 12:01 AM kanini mutemi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px">Thank you Elizabeth for shedding light on this. Following your direction, perhaps we can list legitimate interests the right to be forgotten should protect. You have given the example of information that has been disseminated without consent, say the circulation of nude photos without permission, which in itself is a grave violation of the right to privacy. Are there other instances that call for such protection?</font><div><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px"><br></font></div><div><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px">Listers, allow me to double back to the issue of consent. <font color="#942192"><b>How should we handle data collection by AI (Artificial Intelligence?)</b></font><br></font><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 24 Aug 2018, at 09:51, Elizabeth Moturi <<a href="mailto:moturiliz@gmail.com" target="_blank">moturiliz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-2455657176262832345Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr">The foundation of the right to be forgotten is the right to privacy because the right to privacy is the right of an individual to control the extent to which personal information is disseminated to others. Therefore, it should be within your right to privacy to remove your personal information from the internet. <div> <div><b style="color:rgb(148,33,146);font-family:Avenir-Book;font-size:14px">Why do we need it?</b> <br></div><div><div>I am sure we have all heard of the saying that the Internet never forgets. In my view we need the right to be forgotten because first of all human beings are prone to make mistakes and sometimes it is not necessary that we keep a record of all mistakes that were made. We have all posted a tweet or a photo that on second thought we realize is not a good idea. The fact that it may</div><div><br></div><div>There are people who have had their information disseminated without their consent in the first place. Think of all those people who have become Memes. Some have gone into depression and committed suicide. </div><div><br></div><div>The fact that we are aware that we cannot erase anything from the internet has led some to self- sensor (I am personally guilty of this). It can be argued that failure to provide the right to be forgotten needlessly curtails our freedom of expression. </div><div><br></div><div> <b style="color:rgb(148,33,146);font-family:Avenir-Book;font-size:14px">Should it be absolute?</b></div></div><div><div>I agree with Francis that the right should not be absolute. Limitations are necessary for example under the GDPR personal data must be erased immediately where the data is no longer needed for the original processing purpose, or the data subject has withdrawn their consent and their is no other legal ground for processing, the data subject has objected and there are no overriding legitimate grounds for processing, or erasure is required to fulfill a statutory obligation under the law. </div><div>The right to be forgotten should also be balanced with the right to information. </div><div><br></div><br class="m_-2455657176262832345gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></div><div><b style="color:rgb(148,33,146);font-family:Avenir-Book;font-size:14px"><br></b></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 7:22 AM kanini mutemi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px">Thank you for the comments coming in so far. </font><div><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px"><br></font></div><div><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px">@Francis and @Michael <font color="#942192"><b>what is the foundation of the right to be forgotten? Why do we need it? Should it be absolute? Should it apply to all ‘unwanted’ information? </b></font></font></div><div><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px"><br></font></div><div><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px">Let’s turn our attention to Clause 36 (right of rectification and erasure). The right to demand erasure extends to ‘irrelevant’ and ‘excessive’ information These parameters are not defined. </span><font color="#942192"><b><span style="font-size:14px">Can a convict demand that </span><a href="http://kenyalaw.org/" style="font-size:14px" target="_blank">kenyalaw.org</a><span style="font-size:14px"> delete a case from its database? Should we be allowed to stop newspapers from running a story because of the ‘irrelevance’ or ‘lack of authorisation’? What are we trying to achieve with the right to be forgotten? Should politicians be allowed to re-invent themselves? </span></b></font></font></div><div><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px"><br></font></div><div><span style="font-family:Avenir-Book;font-size:14px">@Kiarie, thank you for bringing up the issue of consent. Under Clause 28 we see general conditions for consent. Reading that, do you get a clear picture of what consent is? Clause 33 goes ahead to restrict the use of data for direct marketing- I imagine this is a welcome relief? </span></div><div><span style="font-family:Avenir-Book;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px">@Michael </span></font><span style="font-family:Avenir-Book;font-size:14px"> </span><span style="font-family:Avenir-Book;font-size:14px">I agree the definition of the rights is in the exceptions. I</span><span style="font-size:14px;font-family:Avenir-Book">n our next discussion we will look at the limitations to the rights of data subjects and whether the manner in which these rights have been limited conforms to the standards set in Article 24 of the Constitution.</span></div><div><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px"><br></font></div><div><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px">@WIlliam, I agree that the remedies should go beyond criminal sanctions. I like your proposal that the right to compensation should also be included in the rights- that's ingenious. More on this on Day 5 when we consider penalties and remedies in detail. </font></div><div><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px"><br></font></div><div><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px">Let’s keep talking. </span></font></div><div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 23 Aug 2018, at 21:58, Francis Monyango via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-2455657176262832345m_6776156721257039484Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div><div dir="auto">My concern is that the policy talks about ‘the right to be forgotten’ but the bill doesn’t have a section on it. One can only delete misleading information which is rather too limiting. The legal standards we are trying to catch up with included the right to be forgotten in 2014 yet our draft law doesn’t have it in 2018. The right should be there...maybe with limitations. I don’t think limiting it to ‘false or misleading data’ is in good faith.</div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 at 09:55, kanini mutemi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px"><b>Day 2- Rights of Data Subjects </b></font><div><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px"><br></font></div><div><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px">Good morning Listers, </font></div><div><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px"><br></font></div><div><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px">Day 1 we commented on the principles of data protection mentioned in the draft policy and bill. Today, we will look at the rights of data subjects. For demonstration purpose, when you fill in your details at a mobile money agent’s shop–</font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px"><i> You- data subject </i></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px"><i> The mobile money agent- data processor </i></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px"><br></span></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px">The data subject is the person to whom the data concerns. </span></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px"><br></span></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px">Here are the rights as listed in Clause 23 of the Bill. I have added comments underneath to help us visualise what these rights would mean in the future. </span></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px"> </span></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px" color="#942192"><b>1. The right to be informed of the use to which the personal data is to be put</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px">Eg. When we leave our details at the entrance to buildings, I expect that they will explain what the data will be used for. </font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px"><br></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px" color="#942192"><b>2. Right to access their personal data in custody of data controller</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px">Will we be able to demand from our mobile network operators to see our account details and transactional history?</font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px"><br></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px" color="#942192"><b>3. Object to the collection or processing of all or part of their personal data</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px">Will we be able to opt out of the biometric ID registration proposed by the Ministry of ICT <a href="https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/economy/Biometric-IDs-listing-set-for-this-year-after-secret-tender/3946234-4694828-v50ngv/index.html" target="_blank">here</a>?</font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px"><br></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px" color="#942192"><b>4. Correction and deletion of false or misleading data </b></font></div>
<div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px">Are we ready for a right to be forgotten? Should it be absolute? </span></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><br></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px">What do we think of these Listers? Are there other rights that ought to be included? </span></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><div class="m_-2455657176262832345m_6776156721257039484m_-5006744674214966204page" title="Page 15"><div class="m_-2455657176262832345m_6776156721257039484m_-5006744674214966204layoutArea"><div class="m_-2455657176262832345m_6776156721257039484m_-5006744674214966204column"><ol style="list-style-type:none">
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