<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 7:23 AM kanini mutemi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book">Thank you for the comments coming in so far. </font><div><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book"><br></font></div><div><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book">@Francis and @Michael <font color="#942192"><b>what is the foundation of the right to be forgotten? Why do we need it? Should it be absolute? Should it apply to all ‘unwanted’ information?
</b></font></font></div></div></blockquote><div>BO: Mercy, i think it will be good to Juxtapose the foundation of the right to be forgoten to the foundation of the Internet. The Internet was developed ostensibly to share information. If you think the information you have should not be on the internet, that is it is not supposed to be shared , then don't upload it. Erasing information from the Internet can be laborius depending on the extent has been shared and can cost a lot. This right should therefore not be absolute. We have to be carefull with how the right to be forgotten is handled since it can affect Whistle Blowing.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book"><br></font></div><div><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px">Let’s turn our attention to Clause 36 (right of rectification and erasure). The right to demand erasure extends to ‘irrelevant’ and ‘excessive’ information These parameters are not defined. </span><font color="#942192"><b><span style="font-size:14px">Can a convict demand that </span><a href="http://kenyalaw.org" style="font-size:14px" target="_blank">kenyalaw.org</a><span style="font-size:14px"> delete a case from its database? Should we be allowed to stop newspapers from running a story because of the ‘irrelevance’ or ‘lack of authorisation’? What are we trying to achieve with the right to be forgotten? Should politicians be allowed to re-invent themselves? </span></b></font></font></div><div><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book"><br></font></div><div><span style="font-family:Avenir-Book;font-size:14px">@Kiarie, thank you for bringing up the issue of consent. Under Clause 28 we see general conditions for consent. Reading that, do you get a clear picture of what consent is? Clause 33 goes ahead to restrict the use of data for direct marketing- I imagine this is a welcome relief? </span></div><div><span style="font-family:Avenir-Book;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px">@Michael </span></font><span style="font-family:Avenir-Book;font-size:14px"> </span><span style="font-family:Avenir-Book;font-size:14px">I agree the definition of the rights is in the exceptions. I</span><span style="font-size:14px;font-family:Avenir-Book">n our next discussion we will look at the limitations to the rights of data subjects and whether the manner in which these rights have been limited conforms to the standards set in Article 24 of the Constitution.</span></div><div><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book"><br></font></div><div><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book">@WIlliam, I agree that the remedies should go beyond criminal sanctions. I like your proposal that the right to compensation should also be included in the rights- that's ingenious. More on this on Day 5 when we consider penalties and remedies in detail. </font></div><div><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book"><br></font></div><div><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px">Let’s keep talking. </span></font></div><div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 23 Aug 2018, at 21:58, Francis Monyango via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_8645268082298361655Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div><div dir="auto">My concern is that the policy talks about ‘the right to be forgotten’ but the bill doesn’t have a section on it. One can only delete misleading information which is rather too limiting. The legal standards we are trying to catch up with included the right to be forgotten in 2014 yet our draft law doesn’t have it in 2018. The right should be there...maybe with limitations. I don’t think limiting it to ‘false or misleading data’ is in good faith.</div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 at 09:55, kanini mutemi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book"><b>Day 2- Rights of Data Subjects </b></font><div><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book"><br></font></div><div><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book">Good morning Listers, </font></div><div><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book"><br></font></div><div><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book">Day 1 we commented on the principles of data protection mentioned in the draft policy and bill. Today, we will look at the rights of data subjects. For demonstration purpose, when you fill in your details at a mobile money agent’s shop–</font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book"><i> You- data subject </i></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book"><i> The mobile money agent- data processor </i></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px"><br></span></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px">The data subject is the person to whom the data concerns. </span></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px"><br></span></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px">Here are the rights as listed in Clause 23 of the Bill. I have added comments underneath to help us visualise what these rights would mean in the future. </span></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px"> </span></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book" color="#942192"><b>1. The right to be informed of the use to which the personal data is to be put</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book">Eg. When we leave our details at the entrance to buildings, I expect that they will explain what the data will be used for. </font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book"><br></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book" color="#942192"><b>2. Right to access their personal data in custody of data controller</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book">Will we be able to demand from our mobile network operators to see our account details and transactional history?</font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book"><br></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book" color="#942192"><b>3. Object to the collection or processing of all or part of their personal data</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book">Will we be able to opt out of the biometric ID registration proposed by the Ministry of ICT <a href="https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/economy/Biometric-IDs-listing-set-for-this-year-after-secret-tender/3946234-4694828-v50ngv/index.html" target="_blank">here</a>?</font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book"><br></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font style="font-size:14px" face="Avenir-Book" color="#942192"><b>4. Correction and deletion of false or misleading data </b></font></div>
<div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px">Are we ready for a right to be forgotten? Should it be absolute? </span></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><br></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="Avenir-Book"><span style="font-size:14px">What do we think of these Listers? Are there other rights that ought to be included? </span></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><div class="m_8645268082298361655m_-5006744674214966204page" title="Page 15"><div class="m_8645268082298361655m_-5006744674214966204layoutArea"><div class="m_8645268082298361655m_-5006744674214966204column"><ol style="list-style-type:none">
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