<div><div dir="auto">Sorry- I should have said Michael, not Matthew. Apologies. </div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 at 17:12, kanini mutemi <<a href="mailto:kaninimutemi@gmail.com">kaninimutemi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">Thank you Gerishon and Matthew.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">@Gerishon, on consent:</div><div dir="auto">The draft policy indicates that fairness means that the data subjects (you and me) are informed of 1. the name of the data controller (the person who determines the purpose and means of data collection) and 2. the purpose for which data is being collected. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Consent is also dealt with under Clause 27 of the draft bill. Here is a follow up question : </div><div dir="auto"><b><i><br></i></b></div><div dir="auto"><b><i>What amounts to ‘consent’? When can it be said that one has agreed to have their data collected and processed in a certain manner? </i></b></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><div dir="auto">@Matthew thanks for flagging the inequity between small and large scale controllers. I wonder whether it would have been useful to acknowledge innovation as one of the principles. The documents do set a restrictive tone I note- leaning towards restricting the collection of data as opposed to encouraging it. Eg the principles of data minimization and storage limitation will not allow controllers to collect data that would be considered ‘extra’ or ‘luxurious’. Is there a way to balance the two- protection of privacy vis-a-vis promoting innovation through aggressive research? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Listers, I would like to hear from more of you. </div></div><div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 at 14:20, Michael Pedersen via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>On the topic of transparency - I somehow feel that the office of
the data protection commissioner should be required to publish
(preferably on the web) at least statistics on the number of
cases/complaints brought to them for various periods of time -
this way it would be easier to determine if the problem of
data-protection is growing. <br>
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<p>I might argue that it should even be public which company the
individual complaints are against so that it is possible for the
public to take note of which companies they reliably can trust
with their data.</p>
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<p>On the topic of fairness I am deeply concerned that the
legislation is written only with "large data holders" in mind and
not SME's - In terms of requirements for compliance,
fee-structures, administrative-overhead. The burden may be too
large for startups and SME's and hereby limit innovation and
growth of new companies. <br>
It might be more fair if the requirements increased as a result of
the amount of data you hold - i.e. if you hold data for less than
10000 individuals you may only need to provide a compliance report
to the office once a year. But if you hold data for more than
1million indidviduals then you need to report monthly/quaterly
etc.</p>
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<p>Kind regards<br>
Michael Pedersen<br>
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<div>please note that the bill is also hosted on the Jadili
platform @ <a href="http://jadili.ictpolicy.org/docs/privacy-and-data-protection-policy-and-bill-,2018#heading-1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://jadili.ictpolicy.org/docs/privacy-and-data-protection-policy-and-bill-,2018#heading-1</a> for
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<div>Lets have your views so that what finally goes to
parliament has stakeholder support with less risk of
court-cases ;-)</div>
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<div> On Wednesday, August 22, 2018, 10:47:31 AM GMT+3,
kanini mutemi via kictanet
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<div class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530gmail_default"><font style="font-size:14px" class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530" face="Avenir-Book"><b class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530">Day 1-
Principles of Data Protection </b></font></div>
<div class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530gmail_default"><b class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530"><font style="font-size:14px" class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530" face="Avenir-Book"><br class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530">
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<div class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530gmail_default"><font style="font-size:14px" class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530" face="Avenir-Book">Dear Listers, <br class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530">
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As GG had indicated on Monday, we will hold online
moderated discussions on the policy and regulatory
framework on privacy and data protection. I will
kick us off with a discussion on the proposed
principles of data protection (Part 5 of the draft
policy and Part IV of the draft bill). <br class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530">
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There are seven proposed principles–<br class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530">
<i class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530">(a) Fairness,
lawfulness and transparency<br class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530">
(b) Purpose limitation<br class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530">
(c) Data minimisation <br class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530">
(d) Storage limitation <br class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530">
(e) Accuracy<br class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530">
(f) Confidentiality and Integrity <br class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530">
(g) Accountability<br class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530">
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To begin with, I welcome comments on </font></div>
<div class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530gmail_default"><font style="font-size:14px" class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530" face="Avenir-Book"><br class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530">
<b class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530"><font class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530" color="#942192">-what is your first impression
of the principles?</font></b></font></div>
<div class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530gmail_default"><font style="font-size:14px" class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530" face="Avenir-Book"><b class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530"><font class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530" color="#942192"><span class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530"><br class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530">
</span></font><font class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530" color="#0433ff">-why do we need to set out
principles?</font></b></font></div>
<div class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530gmail_default"><font style="font-size:14px" class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530" face="Avenir-Book"><b class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530"><font class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530" color="#0433ff"><span class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530"><br class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530">
</span></font><font class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530" color="#ff2600">-are the principles clearly
defined in the draft policy and bill?</font></b><br class="m_2022859023773785492m_5917465559338543831ydp556502efyiv3465694530">
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