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<DIV>It is not about religion. These things like LGBT re just against the norms
in our African culture with or without Christianity.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">Lucy Gichaga via kictanet</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 07, 2018 11:57 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=ldinga@managecom.co.ke
href="mailto:ldinga@managecom.co.ke">ldinga@managecom.co.ke</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=lw.gichaga@gmail.com
href="mailto:lw.gichaga@gmail.com">Lucy Gichaga</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>We didn't have lesbianism before Chrstianity came. </DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"
target=_blank>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<DIV>Is Christianity, brought to Kenya by colonizers, “Kenyan culture”? How
so?
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<DIV>If so, doesn’t saying that it is mean that culture evolves, since Kenyan
culture predates the introduction of Christianity by millennia?</DIV>
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<DIV>If culture evolves, then what does it mean to say something is not part
of one’s culture?<BR>
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<DIV>Finally-I’m not Kenyan. I’m Igbo, from south eastern Nigeria. Igbos had,
prior to colonization, thousands of years of culture, worshipping many gods.
One commonly accepted practice was women husbands-same sex marriage, in which
women could take other women as wives, and those wives would bear children for
their women husbands.</DIV>
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<DIV>The British were repulsed by this, and after they brought their religion
(plus the slave trade, the disenfranchisement of women, the attempt to destroy
the system of republican democracy that had operated in Igboland for
centuries) they banned such relationships. after this, we can now have people
who say same sex marriage is against Igbo culture.</DIV>
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<DIV>The theft of cultural knowledge is truly a crime without end.</DIV>
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<DIV>On Apr 30, 2018, at 2:02 PM, Twahir Hussein Kassim via kictanet <<A
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"
target=_blank>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A><WBR>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Reading from the preamble to the constitution, I would like to give my
<B><FONT color=#4caf50>thoughts</FONT></B> below within the text of the
constitution copied from a previous email
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px; FONT-WEIGHT: 700"><FONT face=Arial>CONSTITUTION OF
KENYA</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"
face=Arial>PREAMBLE<BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: 700">ACKNOWLEDGING
</SPAN>the supremacy of the Almighty God of all creation:</FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=#4caf50 face=Arial><B>My belief is that this is a declaration
within the constitution that the supremacy of The Almighty is ABOVE ALL. I
doubt if there is any religion that accepts LGBT relationships to be fine.
Going back to the scripts we will NOTE a whole nation being destroyed due to
this very act. Whether Kenya has a state religion or not GAY relations
shouldn't be ok. </B></FONT></P>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: 700">HONOURING </SPAN>those who heroically struggled to
bring freedom and justice to our land:</FONT></P>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: 700">PROUD </SPAN>of our ethnic, cultural and religious
diversity, and determined to live in peace and unity as one indivisible
sovereign nation:</FONT></P>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><B style="FONT-SIZE: large"><FONT
color=#4caf50>Proud of ethnic diversity, none of our diverse culture agree
with this act. Am not refuting that it has been practised for donkey years;
however NEVER has it been FORCED DOWN our throats to accept it as a norm. We
did interact with gays before but they were not openly blatantly plying
their trade. This only started when the west started
pushing.</FONT></B><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" face=Arial><BR></FONT></P>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><B style="FONT-SIZE: large"><FONT
color=#4caf50>There is a LINE we as a people MUST DRAW! Come on
guys!</FONT></B></P>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: 700">RESPECTFUL </SPAN>of the environment, which is our
heritage, and determined to sustain it for the benefit of future
generations:</FONT></P>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: 700">COMMITTED </SPAN>to nurturing and protecting the
well-being of the individual, the family, communities and the
nation:</FONT></P>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: 700">RECOGNISING </SPAN>the aspirations of all Kenyans
for a government based on the essential values of human rights, equality,
freedom, democracy, social justice and the rule of law:</FONT></P>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><B style="FONT-SIZE: large"><FONT
color=#4caf50>If we play the HUMAN RIGHT card, then why arrest a consenting
adult who chooses to commit suicide? Isn't it his right to
live?</FONT></B><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" face=Arial><BR></FONT></P>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><B style="FONT-SIZE: large"><FONT
color=#4caf50>Freedom comes with responsibility and most of all we OWE it to
the generations to come to maintain a MORAL FABRIC that reflects us as a
people! LGBT doesn't stand the test of morality if it goes against the very
supreme being that we claim to acknowledge!</FONT></B></P>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: 700">EXERCISING </SPAN>our sovereign and inalienable
right to determine the form of governance of our country and having
participated fully in the making of this Constitution:</FONT></P>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: 700">ADOPT, ENACT </SPAN>and give this Constitution to
ourselves and to our future generations.</FONT></P>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" face=Arial>GOD
BLESS KENYA </FONT></P>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><B style="FONT-SIZE: large"><FONT
color=#4caf50>These are my opinions, I don't mean to disrespect anyone.
</FONT></B><BR></P>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><B style="FONT-SIZE: large"><FONT
color=#4caf50>Twahir</FONT></B><BR></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Apr 30, 2018 15:26, "Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via
kictanet" <<A href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"
target=_blank>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A><WBR>> wrote:<BR
type="attribution">
<BLOCKQUOTE class=m_-1699584307976379611quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">@Alex<BR><BR>I
am open to any introduction and as I said the issue of morality is
<BR>subjective and conscience based. You may see gay relationship as okay
and <BR>right from your perspective. However, to another person, it may be
immoral <BR>depending on one's beliefs.<BR><BR>The board has also given
the reasons behind the ban.
<DIV
class=m_-1699584307976379611quoted-text><BR><BR>Regards<BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message----- <BR>From: Alex Comninos<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=m_-1699584307976379611elided-text>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018
3:09 PM<BR>To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<BR>Cc: <A
href="mailto:ldinga@managecom.co.ke" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>ldinga@managecom.co.ke</A><BR>Subject: Re: [kictanet]
Banning of the FILM Rafiki<BR><BR>@Lawrence<BR><BR>Why is love between two
consenting non-abusive people a morality issue?<BR><BR>Please
explain?<BR><BR>There are many issues of morality in relationships, but
what does the<BR>sexual orientation of the partners have to do with
anything?<BR><BR>So basically you are saying being gay is immoral, it
would be nice if you<BR>could back that up without resorting to the first
testament.<BR><BR>Once again, I am more than willing to introduce you to
my LGBT friends and<BR>their morality. If you would like to be introduced
and learn something,<BR>contact me.<BR><BR>Kindly,<BR>Alex<BR>On Mon, 30
Apr 2018 at 14:05, Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via kictanet <<BR><A
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>>
Religion a side I think this is an issue of morality but I
agree,<BR>morality can be subjective and depends on one’s
conscience.<BR><BR>> Regards<BR><BR>> From: Mwendwa Kivuva via
kictanet<BR>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:50 PM<BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:ldinga@managecom.co.ke" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>ldinga@managecom.co.ke</A><BR>> Cc: Mwendwa
Kivuva<BR>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM
Rafiki<BR><BR>> KFCB always makes roadside pronouncements that would
not pass any legal<BR>threshold.<BR><BR>> And quoting the Bible here is
imposing your religion on others who<BR>believe in different
deities.<BR><BR>> Ebele, No, there is no State religion in Kenya, and
our constitution<BR>recognises freedom of worship.<BR><BR>> Article 32
of Kenyan Constitution:<BR><BR>> 32. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE, RELIGION,
BELIEF AND OPINION<BR><BR>> (1) Every person has the right to freedom
of conscience, religion,<BR>thought, belief and opinion.<BR><BR>> (2)
Every person has the right, either individually or in community
with<BR>others, in public or in private, to manifest any religion or
belief through<BR>worship, practice, teaching or observance, including
observance of a day of<BR>worship.<BR><BR>> (3) A person may not be
denied access to any institution, employment or<BR>facility, or the
enjoyment of any right, because of the person's belief
or<BR>religion.<BR><BR>> (4) A person shall not be compelled to act, or
engage in any act, that is<BR>contrary to the person's belief or
religion.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 2:36 PM
Ebele Okobi via kictanet <<BR><A
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>>>
Does Kenya have a state religion?<BR><BR>>> On 4/30/18, 12:33 PM,
"kictanet on behalf of Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via<BR>kictanet"
<kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=<A
href="mailto:fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel=noreferrer
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href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR>>> Dear
Alex,<BR><BR>>> I don’t know much
about the movie but if it is about lesbianism then<BR>it
is<BR>>> immoral and
ungodly.<BR>>> God only approves a
relation between a man and a
woman<BR><BR>>> Leviticus
18:22<BR>>> You shall not lie with a
male as with a woman; it is an
abomination.<BR><BR>>> Genesis
2:24<BR>>> Therefore a man shall leave
his father and his mother and hold fast<BR>to
his<BR>>> wife, and they shall become
one flesh.<BR><BR>>>
Regards<BR><BR><BR><BR>>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>>> From:
Alex Comninos via kictanet<BR>>> Sent:
Monday, April 30, 2018 2:05 PM<BR>>>
To: <A href="mailto:ldinga@managecom.co.ke" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>ldinga@managecom.co.ke</A><BR>>>
Cc: Alex Comninos ; KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions<BR>>> Subject: Re:
[kictanet] Banning of the FILM
Rafiki<BR><BR>>> I am not sure what
the film is about in its entirety, but the
main<BR>>> storyline is a lesbian
romance in Nairobi. It is the first Kenyan<BR>film
to<BR>>> be nominated for the Cannes
film festival and will premiere there
on<BR>the<BR>>> 8th of
May.<BR><BR>>> Here is the trailer for
the film<BR><A href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M_-ucSaFpU"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
target=_blank>https://www.youtube.com/watch?<WBR>v=7M_-ucSaFpU</A><BR><BR><BR>>>
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 at 12:57, Dorcas Muthoni <<A
href="mailto:dmuthoni@gmail.com" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>dmuthoni@gmail.com</A>><BR>wrote:<BR><BR>>>
> What is the film about?<BR><BR>>>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 1:55 PM Alex Comninos via kictanet
<<BR>>> <A
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR>>> >>
Hi<BR><BR>>> >> I was shocked to
learn that the film classification board has<BR>banned
an<BR>>> >> LGBT film,
Rafiki.<BR><BR>>> >> Our Film
and Publication Board recently attempted this but it
was<BR>>>
reversed<BR>>> >> by the
courts.<BR><BR>>> >> Films are
ICTs and we should be discussing this on the
list.<BR><BR>>> >> I am looking
forward to the discussion.<BR><BR>>>
>> Kind regards,<BR>>> >>
Alex<BR><BR>>> >>
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