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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Noah <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Job Muriuki via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><img class="mailtrack-img" alt="" style="display:flex" src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" width="0" height="0"><div><div style="color:rgb(32,18,77)">Anyone here from Tespok or CA shed some light.</div><div style="color:rgb(32,18,77)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(32,18,77)"><span style="color:rgb(75,75,75);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">I have a question on what governs local ISP peering in Kenya. There is KIXP at EADC which was set up so to keep local traffic local. Is it open to international carriers like Seacom, Tata, Etisalat, Hurricane electric, China Telkom and others who are present at EADC? </span></div><div style="color:rgb(32,18,77)"><span style="color:rgb(75,75,75);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></div><div style="color:rgb(32,18,77)"><span style="color:rgb(75,75,75);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">The reason I ask is if you take service, IP transit service from any of the carriers and you are not peering at KIXP your IPs (Local traffic) go all the way to either France or UAE and back to Kenya while they could have just peered at KIXP and offer faster and "affordable" connections. It makes no sense for a connection to </span><span class="m_8226711895029969204m_-405543799759314328gmail-gr_ m_8226711895029969204m_-405543799759314328gmail-gr_855 m_8226711895029969204m_-405543799759314328gmail-gr-alert m_8226711895029969204m_-405543799759314328gmail-gr_spell m_8226711895029969204m_-405543799759314328gmail-gr_inline_cards m_8226711895029969204m_-405543799759314328gmail-gr_run_anim m_8226711895029969204m_-405543799759314328gmail-ContextualSpelling m_8226711895029969204m_-405543799759314328gmail-ins-del m_8226711895029969204m_-405543799759314328gmail-multiReplace" id="m_8226711895029969204m_-405543799759314328gmail-855" style="display:inline;color:rgb(75,75,75);font-size:15px;border-bottom:2px solid transparent;background-repeat:no-repeat;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">ecitizen</span><span style="color:rgb(75,75,75);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"> or a server hosted locally at say Node Africa to have to go to IXPs in other countries and brought back to Kenya getting treated and charged as international traffic. </span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div></span><div>Mmmm... can you share the traceroutes, perhaps it could be a routing policy but I know that most of them do keep traffic bound to the local internet local as long as there is local peering going on between the ISP and carrier. <br></div><span class=""><div><br></div><div> <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(32,18,77);display:inline">Look at this two trace routes. One from a safaricom connation and another simbanet. The IP am tracing to is peering ar KIXP on a Hurricane electric's IP transit service. The same I P I reach via KIXP from a FON connection</div></div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(32,18,77)">Simbanet</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(32,18,77);display:inline"><img src="cid:ii_jgv95ee72_16337142d72051f7" width="472" height="239"><br><br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(32,18,77);display:inline">Safaricom</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(32,18,77);display:inline"><img src="cid:ii_jgv95ngn3_163371452157e5db" width="472" height="251"><br></div> </div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(32,18,77)">FON</div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(32,18,77)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(32,18,77)"><img src="cid:ii_jgv99pep4_1633717362d0b8b8" width="472" height="141"><br></div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(32,18,77);display:inline"></div><br></div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(32,18,77);display:inline"></div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="color:rgb(32,18,77)"><span style="color:rgb(75,75,75);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></div><div style="color:rgb(32,18,77)"><span style="color:rgb(75,75,75);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Is KIXP that unreliable or what is the challenge? If we don't grow our local capacity to deliver gigabit speeds in our IXP and take advantage of CDNs available locally, will we ever fully </span><span class="m_8226711895029969204m_-405543799759314328gmail-gr_ m_8226711895029969204m_-405543799759314328gmail-gr_2025 m_8226711895029969204m_-405543799759314328gmail-gr-alert m_8226711895029969204m_-405543799759314328gmail-gr_spell m_8226711895029969204m_-405543799759314328gmail-gr_inline_cards m_8226711895029969204m_-405543799759314328gmail-gr_run_anim m_8226711895029969204m_-405543799759314328gmail-ContextualSpelling m_8226711895029969204m_-405543799759314328gmail-multiReplace" id="m_8226711895029969204m_-405543799759314328gmail-2025" style="display:inline;color:rgb(75,75,75);font-size:15px;border-bottom:2px solid transparent;background-repeat:no-repeat;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">utilise</span><span style="color:rgb(75,75,75);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"> the internet and create jobs at the same time without having multinationals come do it?</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>I dont believe KIXP is unreliable and to the best of my knowledge, a lot of local traffic is being exchanged at the KIXP.</div><span class=""><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="color:rgb(32,18,77)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(32,18,77)"><span style="color:rgb(75,75,75);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Currently getting a data pipe from point A to B over a fiber connection within Kenya is more expensive than getting an internet connection from the same provider which will be carried on the same fiber link as the data pipe which makes absorption of hosting services in Kenya way expensive compared to hosting servers in Europe or America. </span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>I tend to believe that different products are costed differently depending on the cost of delivering the product or service. Remember local infrastructure is still developing and there are no so many options out there. Very few local loop providers in other words to give the consumer a competitive advantage.<br></div><span class=""><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="color:rgb(32,18,77)"><span style="color:rgb(75,75,75);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Most Kenyans and even some government agencies result in hosting services overseas and the users are in Kenya then what is the point of investing in fiber locally and have it rot underground while cash is sent to companies out there for a service we can provide locally?</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>There are so many reasons for this but in a nutshell, its a cost issue until the data-center industry grows and cost of electricity drops drastically otherwise, hosting outside is far cheaper. So any business would want to reduce its capex at any cost.<br></div><div><br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(32,18,77)"><span style="color:rgb(75,75,75);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></div><div style="color:rgb(32,18,77)"><span style="color:rgb(75,75,75);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></div><div style="color:#20124d"><br clear="all"></div><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Regards,<br>Job Muriuki,<br><br>Skype: heviejob<br><br><br><br></div></div></div><div class="mt-signature">
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