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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Just because peering happens at an exchange – unless the *<b>data</b>* is local to the exchange – the ISP peering still has to bear the cost of delivering that content from the rest of their network
to the peering point. Meaning – in the case of a large international ISP – if they peer locally but the majority of their content sits in Europe or the US or somewhere else – and there is no equitable traffic exchange with other parties (so the ingress/egress
traffic volumes are way out of sync) peering can also be a very costly affair in that regard.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> </span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(32,18,77)">This part I understand very well hence the need to inprove on local traffic and make it affordable by removing the oligopolists. If ISPs can share undersea fiber cores what stops them once they get inland and what makes local transit so expensive compared to undersea? The issue of unbalaced traffic is as a combination of several factors and high cost of local bandwitdh ls one of it, I once migrated a virtual server (100gig storage) from a datacenter in US to another in Frankfurt and the transfer was close to 1Gbps but try the same from different datacenters and you wonder are they wirelessly backhauled. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(32,18,77)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><span style="color:rgb(32,18,77)">Recently Hurricane Electric setup at EADC and their cost of IP transit is a fraction of what it would cost me to get a pipe from Google cache in Mombasa to EADC in Nairobi. The own no inland fiber cable and they are still way affordable than any incumbent ISPs locally. How do you explain that?</span></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-GB"><div class="gmail-m_-3683909394286230010m_7166619672927303520WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span></span></p><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(32,18,77);display:inline"></div><u></u><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> kictanet [mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bandrew.alston" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+andre<wbr>w.alston</a>=<a href="mailto:liquidtelecom.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">liquidtelecom.com@<wbr>lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Job Muriuki via kictanet<span><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 03 May 2018 12:19<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.c<wbr>om</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Job Muriuki <<a href="mailto:muriukin@gmail.com" target="_blank">muriukin@gmail.com</a>><br>
</span><span><b>Subject:</b> [kictanet] Local IXP (KIXP) peering and Local traffic<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(75,75,75);background:white">I have a question on what governs local ISP peering in Kenya. There is KIXP at EADC which was set up so to keep local traffic local. Is it open
to international carriers like Seacom, Tata, Etisalat, Hurricane electric, China Telkom and others who are present at EADC?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(75,75,75);background:white">The reason I ask is if you take service, IP transit service from any of the carriers and you are not peering at KIXP your IPs (Local traffic) go
all the way to either France or UAE and back to Kenya while they could have just peered at KIXP and offer faster and "affordable" connections. It makes no sense for a connection to
<span class="gmail-m_-3683909394286230010m_7166619672927303520gmail-gr">ecitizen</span> or a server hosted locally at say Node Africa to have to go to IXPs in other countries and brought back to Kenya getting treated and charged as international traffic.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(75,75,75);background:white">Is KIXP that unreliable or what is the challenge? If we don't grow our local capacity to deliver gigabit speeds in our IXP and take advantage of
CDNs available locally, will we ever fully <span class="gmail-m_-3683909394286230010m_7166619672927303520gmail-gr">utilise</span> the internet and create jobs at the same time without having multinationals come do it?</span><span style="color:rgb(32,18,77)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(75,75,75);background:white">Currently getting a data pipe from point A to B over a fiber connection within Kenya is more expensive than getting an internet connection from
the same provider which will be carried on the same fiber link as the data pipe which makes absorption of hosting services in Kenya way expensive compared to hosting servers in Europe or America. Most Kenyans and even some government agencies result in hosting
services overseas and the users are in Kenya then what is the point of investing in fiber locally and have it rot underground while cash is sent to companies out there for a service we can provide locally?</span><span style="color:rgb(32,18,77)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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