<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I disagree with you Walu on multiple levels here. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">1. You say 'Forced down on us by mainly foreign money/masters'. </b></div><div class="">You erase all those brave Kenyans who have stood up in the face of homophobia and bigotry and asked for basic human recognition at the risk of their physical and social risks. In instances where this has a face of western money, do you also not accept money from the same donors for roads, agriculture, and ‘Internet freedom’? It is hypocritical. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">2. Some issues [like fighting corruption and service delivery] are more important than human rights for minorities. </b></div><div class="">You assume that these issue are mutually exclusive and that you, and not others, have the authority to rank what is important and worthy of attention. If you would look through Kenya’s health policy for the last 20 years, you would see how the issue of homosexuality and the stigma associated with it limits the effectiveness of HIV/AIDS prevention campaigns. Psychiatry clinics and substance abuse rehabilitation centres are littered with humans struggling with extreme forms of social and physical strains. Most humans who identify as sexual minorities fear visibility for obvious physical and social risks associated with it yet these are key populations who are more exposed to risky lifestyles that make spreading HIV much subtle and harder to contain due to their anonymity. These human rights are less about sex and more about public life experiences and policies. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">3. You trivialize sexual orientation and gender identity communities by your LGBT'x-y-z’ wording and LGBT-'whatever'.</b> It is a pity that instead of probing further on why those identities exist, you wish them away because 'they are growing faster than I can interpret them'. Talk of entitlement: unless I can understand it, it is absurd. Leave a lot of question marks. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I expected better justification but what I read was all bigotry and entitlement. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Moses</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 30 Apr 2018, at 12:13, Walubengo J via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" class="">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" class=""><div class=""></div>
<div class="">Spot on Twahir,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Whereas we should not interfere in what two consenting adults want to do in whatever form and manner, I just have a problem when it is forced down our thrown by mainly foreign money/masters. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If these foreign agents could divert some of that pressure/money into helping us sort out our corruption issues, we probably will solve our basic issues (health, food, employment, infrastructure, etc) within 5yrs and be in better position to buy into what is clearly '1st-world' issues.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As our President told Obama and keeps reminding the western folks, this LGBTx-y-z-etc (abbreviations seem to be growing faster than I can interprate them) is someone else's priority; but for some reason, that someone seems to feel better if it becomes our priority.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Common, I have not had food in 2days and your are trying to tell me what LGBT-whatever is? Dont you think it is easier to have that discussion after my basics issues have been sorted?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I do appreciate that from a legal point of view, Ezekiel Mutua may not win the fight and even if he won, I am sure the movie is /will be online soon and Kenyans will view it either way. However, we must deliberately refuse the agenda to 'normalize' what is clearly someone else's normal.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">#We_just_have_other_priorities and deserve a break from this perpetual arm twisting.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">walu.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>
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On Monday, April 30, 2018, 6:32:09 PM GMT+3, Twahir Hussein Kassim via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" class="">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:
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<div class=""><div id="ydp82e4c5c1yiv0288825002" class=""><div class="">Reading from the preamble to the constitution, I would like to give my <b class=""><font color="#4caf50" class="">thoughts</font></b> below within the text of the constitution copied from a previous email<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;" class=""><span style="font-weight:700;font-size:14px;" class=""><font face="Arial" class="">CONSTITUTION OF KENYA</font></span></div><div style="font-family:sans-serif;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p style="font-size:12.8px;" class=""><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px;" class="">PREAMBLE<br class=""><span style="font-weight:700;" class="">ACKNOWLEDGING </span>the supremacy of the Almighty God of all creation:</font></p><p class=""><font face="Arial" color="#4caf50" class=""><b class="">My belief is that this is a declaration within the constitution that the supremacy of The Almighty is ABOVE ALL. I doubt if there is any religion that accepts LGBT relationships to be fine. Going back to the scripts we will NOTE a whole nation being destroyed due to this very act. Whether Kenya has a state religion or not GAY relations shouldn't be ok. </b></font></p><p style="font-size:12.8px;" class=""><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px;" class=""><span style="font-weight:700;" class="">HONOURING </span>those who heroically struggled to bring freedom and justice to our land:</font></p><p style="font-size:12.8px;" class=""><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px;" class=""><span style="font-weight:700;" class="">PROUD </span>of our ethnic, cultural and religious diversity, and determined to live in peace and unity as one indivisible sovereign nation:</font></p><p style="font-size:12.8px;" class=""><b style="font-size:large;" class=""><font color="#4caf50" class="">Proud of ethnic diversity, none of our diverse culture agree with this act. Am not refuting that it has been practised for donkey years; however NEVER has it been FORCED DOWN our throats to accept it as a norm. We did interact with gays before but they were not openly blatantly plying their trade. This only started when the west started pushing.</font></b><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px;" class=""><br class=""></font></p><p style="font-size:12.8px;" class=""><b style="font-size:large;" class=""><font color="#4caf50" class="">There is a LINE we as a people MUST DRAW! Come on guys!</font></b></p><p style="font-size:12.8px;" class=""><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px;" class=""><span style="font-weight:700;" class="">RESPECTFUL </span>of the environment, which is our heritage, and determined to sustain it for the benefit of future generations:</font></p><p style="font-size:12.8px;" class=""><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px;" class=""><span style="font-weight:700;" class="">COMMITTED </span>to nurturing and protecting the well-being of the individual, the family, communities and the nation:</font></p><p style="font-size:12.8px;" class=""><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px;" class=""><span style="font-weight:700;" class="">RECOGNISING </span>the aspirations of all Kenyans for a government based on the essential values of human rights, equality, freedom, democracy, social justice and the rule of law:</font></p><p style="font-size:12.8px;" class=""><b style="font-size:large;" class=""><font color="#4caf50" class=""> If we play the HUMAN RIGHT card, then why arrest a consenting adult who chooses to commit suicide? Isn't it his right to live?</font></b><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px;" class=""><br class=""></font></p><p style="font-size:12.8px;" class=""><b style="font-size:large;" class=""><font color="#4caf50" class="">Freedom comes with responsibility and most of all we OWE it to the generations to come to maintain a MORAL FABRIC that reflects us as a people! LGBT doesn't stand the test of morality if it goes against the very supreme being that we claim to acknowledge!</font></b></p><p style="font-size:12.8px;" class=""><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px;" class=""><span style="font-weight:700;" class="">EXERCISING </span>our sovereign and inalienable right to determine the form of governance of our country and having participated fully in the making of this Constitution:</font></p><p style="font-size:12.8px;" class=""><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px;" class=""><span style="font-weight:700;" class="">ADOPT, ENACT </span>and give this Constitution to ourselves and to our future generations.</font></p><p style="font-size:12.8px;" class=""><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px;" class="">GOD BLESS KENYA </font></p><p style="font-size:12.8px;" class=""><b style="font-size:large;" class=""><font color="#4caf50" class="">These are my opinions, I don't mean to disrespect anyone. </font></b><br class=""></p><p style="font-size:12.8px;" class=""><b style="font-size:large;" class=""><font color="#4caf50" class="">Twahir</font></b><br class=""></p></div></div></div></div></div><div class="ydp82e4c5c1yiv0288825002gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="ydp82e4c5c1yiv0288825002gmail_quote">On Apr 30, 2018 15:26, "Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via kictanet" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="ydp82e4c5c1yiv0288825002quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">@Alex<br class="">
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I am open to any introduction and as I said the issue of morality is <br class="">
subjective and conscience based. You may see gay relationship as okay and <br class="">
right from your perspective. However, to another person, it may be immoral <br class="">
depending on one's beliefs.<br class="">
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The board has also given the reasons behind the ban.<div class="ydp82e4c5c1yiv0288825002quoted-text"><br class="">
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Regards<br class="">
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-----Original Message----- <br class="">
From: Alex Comninos<br class=""></div><div class="ydp82e4c5c1yiv0288825002elided-text">
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 3:09 PM<br class="">
To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br class="">
Cc: <a href="mailto:ldinga@managecom.co.ke" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">ldinga@managecom.co.ke</a><br class="">
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki<br class="">
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@Lawrence<br class="">
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Why is love between two consenting non-abusive people a morality issue?<br class="">
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Please explain?<br class="">
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There are many issues of morality in relationships, but what does the<br class="">
sexual orientation of the partners have to do with anything?<br class="">
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So basically you are saying being gay is immoral, it would be nice if you<br class="">
could back that up without resorting to the first testament.<br class="">
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Once again, I am more than willing to introduce you to my LGBT friends and<br class="">
their morality. If you would like to be introduced and learn something,<br class="">
contact me.<br class="">
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Kindly,<br class="">
Alex<br class="">
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 at 14:05, Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via kictanet <<br class="">
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> Religion a side I think this is an issue of morality but I agree,<br class="">
morality can be subjective and depends on one’s conscience.<br class="">
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> Regards<br class="">
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> From: Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet<br class="">
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:50 PM<br class="">
> To: <a href="mailto:ldinga@managecom.co.ke" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">ldinga@managecom.co.ke</a><br class="">
> Cc: Mwendwa Kivuva<br class="">
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki<br class="">
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> KFCB always makes roadside pronouncements that would not pass any legal<br class="">
threshold.<br class="">
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> And quoting the Bible here is imposing your religion on others who<br class="">
believe in different deities.<br class="">
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> Ebele, No, there is no State religion in Kenya, and our constitution<br class="">
recognises freedom of worship.<br class="">
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> Article 32 of Kenyan Constitution:<br class="">
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> 32. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE, RELIGION, BELIEF AND OPINION<br class="">
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> (1) Every person has the right to freedom of conscience, religion,<br class="">
thought, belief and opinion.<br class="">
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> (2) Every person has the right, either individually or in community with<br class="">
others, in public or in private, to manifest any religion or belief through<br class="">
worship, practice, teaching or observance, including observance of a day of<br class="">
worship.<br class="">
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> (3) A person may not be denied access to any institution, employment or<br class="">
facility, or the enjoyment of any right, because of the person's belief or<br class="">
religion.<br class="">
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> (4) A person shall not be compelled to act, or engage in any act, that is<br class="">
contrary to the person's belief or religion.<br class="">
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> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 2:36 PM Ebele Okobi via kictanet <<br class="">
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>> Does Kenya have a state religion?<br class="">
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>> On 4/30/18, 12:33 PM, "kictanet on behalf of Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via<br class="">
kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=<a href="mailto:fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a> on<br class="">
behalf of <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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>> Dear Alex,<br class="">
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>> I don’t know much about the movie but if it is about lesbianism then<br class="">
it is<br class="">
>> immoral and ungodly.<br class="">
>> God only approves a relation between a man and a woman<br class="">
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>> Leviticus 18:22<br class="">
>> You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.<br class="">
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>> Genesis 2:24<br class="">
>> Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast<br class="">
to his<br class="">
>> wife, and they shall become one flesh.<br class="">
<br class="">
>> Regards<br class="">
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>> -----Original Message-----<br class="">
>> From: Alex Comninos via kictanet<br class="">
>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:05 PM<br class="">
>> To: <a href="mailto:ldinga@managecom.co.ke" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">ldinga@managecom.co.ke</a><br class="">
>> Cc: Alex Comninos ; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br class="">
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki<br class="">
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>> I am not sure what the film is about in its entirety, but the main<br class="">
>> storyline is a lesbian romance in Nairobi. It is the first Kenyan<br class="">
film to<br class="">
>> be nominated for the Cannes film festival and will premiere there on<br class="">
the<br class="">
>> 8th of May.<br class="">
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>> Here is the trailer for the film<br class="">
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M_-ucSaFpU" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M_-ucSaFpU</a><br class="">
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>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 at 12:57, Dorcas Muthoni <<a href="mailto:dmuthoni@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">dmuthoni@gmail.com</a>><br class="">
wrote:<br class="">
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>> > What is the film about?<br class="">
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>> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 1:55 PM Alex Comninos via kictanet <<br class="">
>> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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>> >> Hi<br class="">
<br class="">
>> >> I was shocked to learn that the film classification board has<br class="">
banned an<br class="">
>> >> LGBT film, Rafiki.<br class="">
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>> >> Our Film and Publication Board recently attempted this but it was<br class="">
>> reversed<br class="">
>> >> by the courts.<br class="">
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>> >> Films are ICTs and we should be discussing this on the list.<br class="">
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>> >> I am looking forward to the discussion.<br class="">
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>> >> Kind regards,<br class="">
>> >> Alex<br class="">
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