<div dir="auto">Washington, killing the tread will amount to internet censorship on the list.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It has been argued here that this thread actually has an ICT component because of the intersection of the internet with creative content, and also the role of KFCB plays in the sector</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:19 PM Mwendwa Kivuva <<a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Walu, you are wrong in so many levels.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">All our societal issues are not mutually exclusive, and every actor has their role. There are those who push for better maternal healthcare, and they will not work in areas of mining rights. Those dealing with extrajudicial killings have no interest in cross-border trade. You cannot say now you will pursue flooding menace, and ignore road carnage. You cannot pursue healthcare problems, and ignore education or drought. We cannot pursue corruption and ignore markets for our produce.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And who is pushing what on who's throat? Since when did sexual rights become a mzungu thing? </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:47 PM Andrew Alston via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div style="direction:ltr">We have a choice to watch any movie made - we choose if we sit in front of the TV and watch it - we are not handcuffed to the couch.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">My point is - just as you or anyone else has a choice not to view the content, others who wish to watch it in the privacy of their homes should be free to do so.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">If no one imposes their enjoyment of a film on you - why should your disagreement with the content be imposed on others?</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 30, 2018 7:13:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston<br>
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<div>Spot on Twahir,</div>
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<div>Whereas we should not interfere in what two consenting adults want to do in whatever form and manner, I just have a problem when it is forced down our thrown by mainly foreign money/masters. </div>
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<div>If these foreign agents could divert some of that pressure/money into helping us sort out our corruption issues, we probably will solve our basic issues (health, food, employment, infrastructure, etc) within 5yrs and be in better position to buy into what
is clearly '1st-world' issues.</div>
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<div>As our President told Obama and keeps reminding the western folks, this LGBTx-y-z-etc (abbreviations seem to be growing faster than I can interprate them) is someone else's priority; but for some reason, that someone seems to feel better if it becomes
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<div>Common, I have not had food in 2days and your are trying to tell me what LGBT-whatever is? Dont you think it is easier to have that discussion after my basics issues have been sorted?</div>
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<div>I do appreciate that from a legal point of view, Ezekiel Mutua may not win the fight and even if he won, I am sure the movie is /will be online soon and Kenyans will view it either way. However, we must deliberately refuse the agenda to 'normalize' what
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<div>#We_just_have_other_priorities and deserve a break from this perpetual arm twisting.</div>
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<div>On Monday, April 30, 2018, 6:32:09 PM GMT+3, Twahir Hussein Kassim via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:
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<div>Reading from the preamble to the constitution, I would like to give my <b><font color="#4caf50">thoughts</font></b> below within the text of the constitution copied from a previous email
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<div style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-weight:700;font-size:14px"><font face="Arial">CONSTITUTION OF KENYA</font></span></div>
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<p style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px">PREAMBLE<br>
<span style="font-weight:700">ACKNOWLEDGING </span>the supremacy of the Almighty God of all creation:</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="#4caf50"><b>My belief is that this is a declaration within the constitution that the supremacy of The Almighty is ABOVE ALL. I doubt if there is any religion that accepts LGBT relationships to be fine. Going back to the scripts
we will NOTE a whole nation being destroyed due to this very act. Whether Kenya has a state religion or not GAY relations shouldn't be ok. </b></font></p>
<p style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px"><span style="font-weight:700">HONOURING </span>those who heroically struggled to bring freedom and justice to our land:</font></p>
<p style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px"><span style="font-weight:700">PROUD </span>of our ethnic, cultural and religious diversity, and determined to live in peace and unity as one indivisible sovereign nation:</font></p>
<p style="font-size:12.8px"><b style="font-size:large"><font color="#4caf50">Proud of ethnic diversity, none of our diverse culture agree with this act. Am not refuting that it has been practised for donkey years; however NEVER has it been FORCED DOWN our throats
to accept it as a norm. We did interact with gays before but they were not openly blatantly plying their trade. This only started when the west started pushing.</font></b><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px"><br>
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<p style="font-size:12.8px"><b style="font-size:large"><font color="#4caf50">There is a LINE we as a people MUST DRAW! Come on guys!</font></b></p>
<p style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px"><span style="font-weight:700">RESPECTFUL </span>of the environment, which is our heritage, and determined to sustain it for the benefit of future generations:</font></p>
<p style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px"><span style="font-weight:700">COMMITTED </span>to nurturing and protecting the well-being of the individual, the family, communities and the nation:</font></p>
<p style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px"><span style="font-weight:700">RECOGNISING </span>the aspirations of all Kenyans for a government based on the essential values of human rights, equality, freedom, democracy, social justice
and the rule of law:</font></p>
<p style="font-size:12.8px"><b style="font-size:large"><font color="#4caf50"> If we play the HUMAN RIGHT card, then why arrest a consenting adult who chooses to commit suicide? Isn't it his right to live?</font></b><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px"><br>
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<p style="font-size:12.8px"><b style="font-size:large"><font color="#4caf50">Freedom comes with responsibility and most of all we OWE it to the generations to come to maintain a MORAL FABRIC that reflects us as a people! LGBT doesn't stand the test of morality
if it goes against the very supreme being that we claim to acknowledge!</font></b></p>
<p style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px"><span style="font-weight:700">EXERCISING </span>our sovereign and inalienable right to determine the form of governance of our country and having participated fully in the making of this
Constitution:</font></p>
<p style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px"><span style="font-weight:700">ADOPT, ENACT </span>and give this Constitution to ourselves and to our future generations.</font></p>
<p style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="Arial" style="font-size:14px">GOD BLESS KENYA </font></p>
<p style="font-size:12.8px"><b style="font-size:large"><font color="#4caf50">These are my opinions, I don't mean to disrespect anyone. </font></b><br>
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<div class="m_3616512526198312431m_-5065115862378345007ydp82e4c5c1yiv0288825002gmail_quote">On Apr 30, 2018 15:26, "Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via kictanet" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="nofollow noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
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@Alex<br>
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I am open to any introduction and as I said the issue of morality is <br>
subjective and conscience based. You may see gay relationship as okay and <br>
right from your perspective. However, to another person, it may be immoral <br>
depending on one's beliefs.<br>
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The board has also given the reasons behind the ban.
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-----Original Message----- <br>
From: Alex Comninos<br>
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<div class="m_3616512526198312431m_-5065115862378345007ydp82e4c5c1yiv0288825002elided-text">Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 3:09 PM<br>
To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:ldinga@managecom.co.ke" rel="nofollow noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ldinga@managecom.co.ke</a><br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki<br>
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@Lawrence<br>
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Why is love between two consenting non-abusive people a morality issue?<br>
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Please explain?<br>
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There are many issues of morality in relationships, but what does the<br>
sexual orientation of the partners have to do with anything?<br>
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So basically you are saying being gay is immoral, it would be nice if you<br>
could back that up without resorting to the first testament.<br>
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Once again, I am more than willing to introduce you to my LGBT friends and<br>
their morality. If you would like to be introduced and learn something,<br>
contact me.<br>
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Kindly,<br>
Alex<br>
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 at 14:05, Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via kictanet <<br>
<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="nofollow noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Religion a side I think this is an issue of morality but I agree,<br>
morality can be subjective and depends on one’s conscience.<br>
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> Regards<br>
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> From: Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet<br>
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:50 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:ldinga@managecom.co.ke" rel="nofollow noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ldinga@managecom.co.ke</a><br>
> Cc: Mwendwa Kivuva<br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki<br>
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> KFCB always makes roadside pronouncements that would not pass any legal<br>
threshold.<br>
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> And quoting the Bible here is imposing your religion on others who<br>
believe in different deities.<br>
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> Ebele, No, there is no State religion in Kenya, and our constitution<br>
recognises freedom of worship.<br>
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> Article 32 of Kenyan Constitution:<br>
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> 32. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE, RELIGION, BELIEF AND OPINION<br>
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> (1) Every person has the right to freedom of conscience, religion,<br>
thought, belief and opinion.<br>
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> (2) Every person has the right, either individually or in community with<br>
others, in public or in private, to manifest any religion or belief through<br>
worship, practice, teaching or observance, including observance of a day of<br>
worship.<br>
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> (3) A person may not be denied access to any institution, employment or<br>
facility, or the enjoyment of any right, because of the person's belief or<br>
religion.<br>
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> (4) A person shall not be compelled to act, or engage in any act, that is<br>
contrary to the person's belief or religion.<br>
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> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 2:36 PM Ebele Okobi via kictanet <<br>
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>> Does Kenya have a state religion?<br>
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>> On 4/30/18, 12:33 PM, "kictanet on behalf of Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via<br>
kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=<a href="mailto:fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="nofollow noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a> on<br>
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kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> Dear Alex,<br>
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>> I don’t know much about the movie but if it is about lesbianism then<br>
it is<br>
>> immoral and ungodly.<br>
>> God only approves a relation between a man and a woman<br>
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>> Leviticus 18:22<br>
>> You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.<br>
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>> Genesis 2:24<br>
>> Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast<br>
to his<br>
>> wife, and they shall become one flesh.<br>
<br>
>> Regards<br>
<br>
<br>
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>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: Alex Comninos via kictanet<br>
>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:05 PM<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:ldinga@managecom.co.ke" rel="nofollow noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">
ldinga@managecom.co.ke</a><br>
>> Cc: Alex Comninos ; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki<br>
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>> I am not sure what the film is about in its entirety, but the main<br>
>> storyline is a lesbian romance in Nairobi. It is the first Kenyan<br>
film to<br>
>> be nominated for the Cannes film festival and will premiere there on<br>
the<br>
>> 8th of May.<br>
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>> Here is the trailer for the film<br>
<a rel="nofollow noreferrer noreferrer" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M_-ucSaFpU" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M_-ucSaFpU</a><br>
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>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 at 12:57, Dorcas Muthoni <<a href="mailto:dmuthoni@gmail.com" rel="nofollow noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">dmuthoni@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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>> > What is the film about?<br>
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>> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 1:55 PM Alex Comninos via kictanet <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="nofollow noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> >> Hi<br>
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>> >> I was shocked to learn that the film classification board has<br>
banned an<br>
>> >> LGBT film, Rafiki.<br>
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>> >> Our Film and Publication Board recently attempted this but it was<br>
>> reversed<br>
>> >> by the courts.<br>
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>> >> Films are ICTs and we should be discussing this on the list.<br>
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>> >> I am looking forward to the discussion.<br>
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>> >> Kind regards,<br>
>> >> Alex<br>
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