<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><p cid="n0" mdtype="paragraph" class="md-focus-p" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-margin-before: 1rem; -webkit-margin-after: 1rem; margin: 30px 0px 0.8em; position: relative; width: inherit; caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: "Open Sans", "Clear Sans", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; white-space: pre-wrap; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span class="md-line md-end-block md-focus" cid="n2" mdtype="line" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: block;"><span md-inline="plain" class="md-expand" style="box-sizing: border-box;">Washington: </span></span><span class="md-line md-end-block md-focus" cid="n2" mdtype="line" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: block;"><span md-inline="plain" class="md-expand" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><br class=""></span></span><span class="md-line md-end-block md-focus" cid="n2" mdtype="line" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: block;"><span md-inline="plain" class="md-expand" style="box-sizing: border-box;">How will policy on sexual orientation and gender identity and expression online be formulated without recourse to its grounding in religion and morality and human rights? </span></span><span class="md-line md-end-block md-focus" cid="n2" mdtype="line" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: block;"><span md-inline="plain" class="md-expand" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><br class=""></span></span><span class="md-line md-end-block md-focus" cid="n2" mdtype="line" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: block;"><span md-inline="plain" class="md-expand" style="box-sizing: border-box;">This issue is 100% a KICTANET issue. </span></span><span class="md-line md-end-block md-focus" cid="n2" mdtype="line" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: block;"><span md-inline="plain" class="md-expand" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><br class=""></span></span><span class="md-line md-end-block md-focus" cid="n2" mdtype="line" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: block;"><span md-inline="plain" class="md-expand" style="box-sizing: border-box;">KICTANET mailing list is a platform that sees a converge of diverse points of view. When this issue was raised back in 2016, I was ordered to drop it because ‘It is not within KICTANet’s scope’. This was by a KICTANET convener. Now I see entitlement is leading to censorship on what can and cannot be discussed here. KICTANET the registered organization does not own the mailing list. You guys may organise and maintain it - a GREAT service to the Kenyan ICT community - but do not assume you own it. </span></span></p><div style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-margin-before: 1rem; -webkit-margin-after: 1rem; -webkit-margin-start: 0px; -webkit-margin-end: 0px; margin: 0.8em 0px; position: relative; width: inherit; caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: "Open Sans", "Clear Sans", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; white-space: pre-wrap; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span class="md-line md-end-block md-focus" cid="n6" mdtype="line" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: block;"><span md-inline="plain" class="" style="box-sizing: border-box;">Occasionally you issue statements claiming they are ‘KCTANET’ positions. Perhaps it is time you categorically indicate that they represent those who intentionally signed up on them instead of dragging everyone into all the positions because as this discussion and the previous on Election Act amendment in 2017 illustrated, we have no common position on most things - we are here to discuss. </span></span><span class="md-line md-end-block md-focus" cid="n6" mdtype="line" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: block;"><span md-inline="plain" class="" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><br class=""></span></span><span class="md-line md-end-block md-focus" cid="n6" mdtype="line" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: block;"><span md-inline="plain" class="" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><br class=""></span></span><span class="md-line md-end-block md-focus" cid="n6" mdtype="line" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: block;"><span md-inline="plain" class="" style="box-sizing: border-box;">-Moses</span></span></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 30 Apr 2018, at 13:13, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" class="">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 30 April 2018 at 16:17, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" class="">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Is Christianity, brought to Kenya by colonizers, “Kenyan culture”? How so?
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<div class="">If so, doesn’t saying that it is mean that culture evolves, since Kenyan culture predates the introduction of Christianity by millennia?</div>
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<div class="">If culture evolves, then what does it mean to say something is not part of one’s culture?<br class="">
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<div class="">Finally-I’m not Kenyan. I’m Igbo, from south eastern Nigeria. Igbos had, prior to colonization, thousands of years of culture, worshipping many gods. One commonly accepted practice was women husbands-same sex marriage, in which women could take other women
as wives, and those wives would bear children for their women husbands.</div>
<div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""></div>@Ebele, is that Igbo practice the same thing as Lesbianism (or homosexuality for that matter)? NO. That practice of women marrying women and those wives bearing children for their woman husbands is far away from LGBT. The women don't go having those weird moments with their wives! These women marry other women because they are barren and so their wives "help" them get children. Ultimately, men sleep with and impregnate these wives - with the consent of their women husbands.</div><div class="gmail_extra">Wait, were you trying to justify some portion of the raging debate with that illustration of Igbo culture? :-)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra">PS: Everyone - methinks this post is irrelevant and will not end up bringing forth any policy formulation with a bearing towards ICTs, which is what this forum is all about. The moment religion rears its ugly head in any discussion, that usually marks the "tower of Babel" moment.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><b class="">So I intend to kill this thread before it becomes the longest, yet useless thread, that KICTANet has ever had. Anyone opposed to that decision, please raise your hands :-)</b></div><div class="gmail_extra"><b class=""><br class=""></b></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="">{List Technical Admin]</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>-- <br class=""><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Best regards,<br class="">Odhiambo WASHINGTON,<br class="">Nairobi,KE<br class="">+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223<br class="">"<span style="font-size:12.8px" class="">Oh, the cruft.</span><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="">"</span></div></div></div>
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