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--></style></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Well said Andrew, well said. </p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>There’s a blurry line once the state quotes morality with no firm legal basis underpinning it – slippery slope so to speak.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0cm'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">Andrew Alston via kictanet</a><br><b>Sent: </b>30 April 2018 15:44<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:cliffordosedo@gmail.com">cliffordosedo@gmail.com</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew Alston</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I would argue that morality is relative – and when morality starts to come down to religious belief – I am far from convinced that any state should have the right to dictate the religious and moral choices of others, provided they do no demonstrable harm to a third party.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Once you introduce censorship because of moral belief, particularly moral belief that is founded in religious idealism, you open the door to a slippery slope where anything can be countenanced in the name of religion. In the same way the crusades were justified and resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands, in the same way people died in the salem witch trials, they all stem from the same place, the imposition of one’s belief systems on another.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If however we must resort to biblical quotation – when it was written in Luke 20:25 “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s” this is often interpreted as a financial reference – however, this is expanded on in Romans 13:7 where it says “Pay everyone what you owe him: taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due” – and I would argue strongly that the judgement of morality in the religious context is strictly in God’s hands – not the hands of the state (again with the limitation that the lack of morality does not have a detrimental affect on others)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Then again – I prefer the words of one </span><span style='color:black'><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Rabelais"><span style='color:black;background:white;text-decoration:none'>François Rabelais</span></a> who wrote in 1534, “Do as thou wilt, because men that are free, of gentle birth, well bred and at home in civilized company possess a natural instinct that includes them to virtue and saves them from vice. This instinct they name as their honor”, or, a more extreme and controversial one, “In that ye harm none – do what ye will – but beware – for what ye do comes back thrice unto thee”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>However, in all of this – these are personal beliefs and each person is subject to their own beliefs – and in the case of the Kenyan constitution, which clearly defines Kenya as a secular state – personal choices they must remain – because the day that constitution came into force, the issue was no longer Caesar’s to adjudicate on.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Just my personal beliefs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+andrew.alston=liquidtelecom.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via kictanet<br><b>Sent:</b> 30 April 2018 15:04<br><b>To:</b> Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Lawrence Dinga, CISSP <ldinga@managecom.co.ke><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Religion a side I think this is an issue of morality but I agree, morality can be subjective and depends on one’s conscience.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" title="kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> Monday, April 30, 2018 2:50 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> <a href="mailto:ldinga@managecom.co.ke" title="ldinga@managecom.co.ke">ldinga@managecom.co.ke</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Cc:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> <a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com" title="Kivuva@transworldafrica.com">Mwendwa Kivuva</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>KFCB always makes roadside pronouncements that would not pass any legal threshold. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>And quoting the Bible here is imposing your religion on others who believe in different deities.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Ebele, No, there is no State religion in Kenya, and our constitution recognises freedom of worship. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Article 32 of Kenyan Constitution:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><h2 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0cm;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:13.0pt;color:#333333;text-transform:uppercase;font-weight:normal'>32. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE, RELIGION, BELIEF AND OPINION<o:p></o:p></span></h2></div><div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0cm;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333'>(1) Every person has the right to freedom of conscience, religion, thought, belief and opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0cm;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333'>(2) Every person has the right, either individually or in community with others, in public or in private, to manifest any religion or belief through worship, practice, teaching or observance, including observance of a day of worship.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0cm;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333'>(3) A person may not be denied access to any institution, employment or facility, or the enjoyment of any right, because of the person's belief or religion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0cm;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333'>(4) A person shall not be compelled to act, or engage in any act, that is contrary to the person's belief or religion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0cm;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0cm;line-height:16.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 2:36 PM Ebele Okobi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:4.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Does Kenya have a state religion?<br><br>On 4/30/18, 12:33 PM, "kictanet on behalf of Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=<a href="mailto:fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a> on behalf of <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br> Dear Alex,<br><br> I don’t know much about the movie but if it is about lesbianism then it is <br> immoral and ungodly.<br> God only approves a relation between a man and a woman<br><br> Leviticus 18:22<br> You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.<br><br> Genesis 2:24<br> Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his <br> wife, and they shall become one flesh.<br><br> Regards<br><br><br><br> -----Original Message----- <br> From: Alex Comninos via kictanet<br> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:05 PM<br> To: <a href="mailto:ldinga@managecom.co.ke" target="_blank">ldinga@managecom.co.ke</a><br> Cc: Alex Comninos ; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki<br><br> I am not sure what the film is about in its entirety, but the main<br> storyline is a lesbian romance in Nairobi. It is the first Kenyan film to<br> be nominated for the Cannes film festival and will premiere there on the<br> 8th of May.<br><br> Here is the trailer for the film <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M_-ucSaFpU" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M_-ucSaFpU</a><br><br><br> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 at 12:57, Dorcas Muthoni <<a href="mailto:dmuthoni@gmail.com" target="_blank">dmuthoni@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br> > What is the film about?<br><br> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 1:55 PM Alex Comninos via kictanet <<br> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br> >> Hi<br><br> >> I was shocked to learn that the film classification board has banned an<br> >> LGBT film, Rafiki.<br><br> >> Our Film and Publication Board recently attempted this but it was<br> reversed<br> >> by the courts.<br><br> >> Films are ICTs and we should be discussing this on the list.<br><br> >> I am looking forward to the discussion.<br><br> >> Kind regards,<br> >> Alex<br><br> >> _______________________________________________<br> >> kictanet mailing list<br> >> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br> >> <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_mailman_listinfo_kictanet&d=DwIGaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=heal2BnohwLn745zExohEb1E7CKooVYKysBt7WfLqP8&s=vV1aDNnbi-5wukc1ziVGzEuktv0-7dB4wtUWTP9jiXA&e=" target="_blank">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_mailman_listinfo_kictanet&d=DwIGaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=heal2BnohwLn745zExohEb1E7CKooVYKysBt7WfLqP8&s=vV1aDNnbi-5wukc1ziVGzEuktv0-7dB4wtUWTP9jiXA&e=</a><br> >> Twitter: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__twitter.com_kictanet&d=DwIGaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=heal2BnohwLn745zExohEb1E7CKooVYKysBt7WfLqP8&s=mjlQVYA9NUEjBqqyObJMqVGD-taw8A4VXcNJia6skXQ&e=" target="_blank">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__twitter.com_kictanet&d=DwIGaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=heal2BnohwLn745zExohEb1E7CKooVYKysBt7WfLqP8&s=mjlQVYA9NUEjBqqyObJMqVGD-taw8A4VXcNJia6skXQ&e=</a><br> >> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/</a><br> >> Domain Registration sponsored by <a href="http://www.eacdirectory.co.ke" target="_blank">www.eacdirectory.co.ke</a><br><br> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at<br> <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_mailman_options_kictanet_dmuthoni-2540gmail.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=heal2BnohwLn745zExohEb1E7CKooVYKysBt7WfLqP8&s=cV_kzVSAVxODhlmSGR0F5JTzQg11XsEHPKkWiNxNJkI&e=" target="_blank">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_mailman_options_kictanet_dmuthoni-2540gmail.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=heal2BnohwLn745zExohEb1E7CKooVYKysBt7WfLqP8&s=cV_kzVSAVxODhlmSGR0F5JTzQg11XsEHPKkWiNxNJkI&e=</a><br><br> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform<br> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and<br> regulation. 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