<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Not to mention what Bwana CS told us during the Facebook Open House. Though he had the good sense to qualify the 'We will not Shutdown the Internet'. :-)<br><br><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><b style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Hussein & Associates</b></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font></font></span><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a><a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration: none;"></span></a></span></p><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font></font></span><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"></p><font><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Blog: <a href="http://www.alyhussein.com/" target="_blank">www.alyhussein.com</a></span><br></font></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div>"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi</div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 18 Jul 2017, at 5:01 PM, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Indeed Ali, <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">There is a problem in defining Internet governance and the roles of different actors. Look for instance at this article where two state agencies give conflicting statements on the issue of Internet shutdowns: <br><div class="gmail-ad gmail-news-ad gmail-i1 gmail-inner-side gmail-inner-ad"><div class="gmail-advertisement-wrapper"><ins></ins></div></div>
<p>“Last week, you guys asked me, are you contemplating shutting down
some of these social media, my answer was and continues to be if it is
necessary, they will be shut out if it is necessary. So that is my stand
and I believe that is what ought to be,” Kaparo told a forum on
election preparedness, bringing together police chefs, judiciary
officials, the NCIC and the Communication Authority.”</p><p>then <br></p><p>Communications Authority of Kenya Director General Francis Wangusi has
however, assured that the internet will not be closed, but urged users
to be responsible at all times.</p><p><br></p><p>Full article here: <br></p><p><a href="http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2017/07/kenya-may-shut-off-social-media-august-elections/">http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2017/07/kenya-may-shut-off-social-media-august-elections/</a></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-07-18 16:34 GMT+03:00 florence mwangangi via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">@ Ali, thanks for the link on Internet governace on the liability of internet intermediaries. The questions arising in 2014 are weighty today, indeed more weighty in view of technological advancements in information and communications since 2014, not to mention the individual's constitutional guarantees on rights and freedoms related to information, communication and assembling/associating with others.<br>
It would be interesting to read a charge sheet on Internet intermediary liability. </p><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 Jul 2017 10:15, "Ali Hussein" <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Florence</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Indeed. This also sort of starts me thinking of Intermediary Liability. In the absence of clear Policy Guidelines and Regulatory Framework regarding Internet Governance we are left to flounder and make 'Roadside Proclamations' like the one being reported here.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">See this write up on a workshop on <a href="https://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/igf-workshop-an-evidence-based-intermediary-liability-policy-framework" target="_blank">Intermediary Liability</a> that can start informing some of these conversations. It is important as a country that we define what Internet Governance is. We are into the 20+ year of the Internet in this country and we are yet to define what Internet Governance looks like for our country. You can now see the folly of that negligence.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Regards </div><img src="http://t.sidekickopen16.com/e1t/o/5/f18dQhb0S7ks8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9gXrN7sKj6v4LNdFMd_KMKRbM7xW4Wzv6P2zlZNzW26tGP91k1H6H0?si=6190904865718272&pi=359b22ab-5563-4bdb-f795-afffe4780c18" style="display:none!important" height="1" width="1"><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_6214963253821834831m_1715315122202301993gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Ali
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:29 AM, florence mwangangi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fmwangangi1@gmail.com" target="_blank">fmwangangi1@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Criminal liability is personal. If an administrator is not the author of the offending post, he/she cannot be criminally liable in law. Shall we also jail the admins of Facebook, Twitter et al on similar lines??</p>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_6214963253821834831m_1715315122202301993h5">On 18 Jul 2017 07:35, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_6214963253821834831m_1715315122202301993h5"><div dir="auto"><div>Listers</div><div><br></div><div>This conversation goes on.</div><div><br></div><div>Can these groups and the content they are spreading be named so that Kenyans can know what this is all about?</div><div><br></div><div>As I said yesterday, let's also ensure that the obvious perpetrators are brought to book. It shouldn't be hard to discern the truth and prosecute those who are found guilty of spreading hatred. </div><div><br></div><div>And as the authorities do this they must exercise utmost transparency and caution lest Kenyans start questioning the real motives behind this concerted effort to curb Kenyans right to expression. As I have said before as Kenyans we need to know one thing:-</div><div><br></div><div>What is wrong offline is also wrong online. I'm not sure why we are making a distinction on this issue. Last time I checked the Penal Code hasn't changed.</div><div><br><a href="http://www.nation.co.ke/news/21-WhatsApp-groups-spreading-hate-identified/1056-4018322-ix7vff/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.nation.co.ke/news/2<wbr>1-WhatsApp-groups-spreading-ha<wbr>te-identified/1056-4018322-ix7<wbr>vff/index.html</a></div><div><br><br><div><span><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><span><b>Principal</b></span></div><div><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Hussein & Associates</b></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium">+254 0713 601113 </div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"><br></div><div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font></font></span><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.c<wbr>om/in/alihkassim</a></span></p><font><br></font></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle</span></div><div><br></div><div><span><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div></div><br></div></div>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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