<div dir="ltr">Dear Ali and Andrew, <div><br></div><div>Thank you for the great feedback. As Andrew's research suggests the internet has just increased the availability of information creating an impression that things are much worse than before. Yes, this truly are difficult discussions but it's great that we are having them and that future generations will pick up from where we are today to find much better solutions.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards, </div><div><br></div><div>Rosemary.<br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Admin CampusCiti via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Andrew</div><div id="m_-4048661589636863863AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-4048661589636863863AppleMailSignature">That's what I call empirical evidence..very interesting.. thanks for sharing.<br><br><div><span><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Hussein & Associates</b></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium">+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"><br></div><div><span class=""><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font></font></span><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.<wbr>com/in/alihkassim</a><a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:none"></span></a></span></p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font></font></span><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"></p></span><font><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Blog: <a href="http://www.alyhussein.com/" target="_blank">www.alyhussein.com</a></span><br></font></div><div><span><br></span></div><div>"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi</div><div><span><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 11 Jun 2017, at 3:50 AM, Andrew Alston via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This may also be of interest….<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">For those who want to say that the Internet is bad place, and contributing to the rise of extremist and the radicalization of people, and claiming
that it is the driving force behind the terrorism we see today…. I was curious after reading Theresa May’s comments, and so I went and did some research and downloaded the global terrorism database, and started crunching numbers for Europe and the United
States going back to 1970. (Sadly, I don’t have data for 2016 and 2017, but I think the trend is still pretty clear)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Attached is a graph of the number of deaths by terrorism in North America and Europe from 1970 to 2015 – ou will notice that there is a steady downward
trend – and in the days *<b>BEFORE</b>* the Internet existed – the rates of terrorism were actually *<b>FAR</b>* higher than what they are today. As someone commented on my facebook feed – maybe it’s because the Internet helps us understand each other’s cultures
rather than just considering them the enemy. Who knows – but the fact is – the arguments that are coming out about the Internet driving terrorism simply don’t add up with the numbers that are available.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I’ve got some more data that I’ll crunch in the next day or two and will share that as well – specifically, I want to look and see if there is a
rise in violent terrorist attacks in the global terrorism database that are preceded by Internet Shutdowns – I know that I read that there is evidence that Nigeria turning off the Internet to combat Boko Haram contributed to more radicalization – but will
crunch the data and see what it says and share it with you when I get done.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> kictanet [<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces+andrew.alston=liquidtelecom.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">mailto:kictanet-bounces+<wbr>andrew.alston=liquidtelecom.<wbr>com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ali Hussein via kictanet<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 11 June 2017 03:02<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Technology Giants Under Fire For Facilitating Terrorism<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think articles like these hoodwink us into thinking that governments the world over are not already cooperating with big internet firms for National Security reasons. Citizens around the world are waking up to the stark reality of the
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's a difficult situation. More amplified by how citizens react. Take for example the hullabaloo a few months back in Kenya when it was alleged that the CA was snooping on us. The outrage on social media was massive and sustained. Yet
we have a real problem in Kenya where some groups in the name of religion spew hate and death liberally. Then there's the alleged vigilante on social media who goes out and deliberately metes out extrajudicial justice in the most brazen way imaginable and
we cheer him/her. In the U.K. Theresa May's strategy of calling for an early election failed partly because young people (Millennials) voted in larger numbers to protest against proposed curbing of privacy online.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's not an easy situation. Who polices the police? Who makes the choice between hate speech and genuine protest against oppression? Take for example the Mandela issue. Was he a terrorist or a hero? <u></u><u></u></p>
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On 10 Jun 2017, at 7:03 PM, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>There may be an emerging paradigm shift from the traditional intermidiary liability consensus.
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<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/news/international/21723106-some-criticism-unfair-there-more-they-could-do-tech-giants-are-under-fire?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/techgiantsareunderfireforfacilitatingterrorism" target="_blank">http://www.economist.com/news/<wbr>international/21723106-some-<wbr>criticism-unfair-there-more-<wbr>they-could-do-tech-giants-are-<wbr>under-fire?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/<wbr>ed/<wbr>techgiantsareunderfireforfacil<wbr>itatingterrorism</a>,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Tech giants are now being forced to take up new responsibilities in the fight against terrorism.
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<p>Kind regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu<u></u><u></u></p>
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