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<div id="me66858AppleMailSignature">24. (1) No person shall— </div>
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<div>On Wed, May 31, 2017, at 10:05 AM, Wambua, Christopher via kictanet wrote:</div>
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<div id="me96546AppleMailSignature">We have taken note of your concerns and shall revise the notice accordingly.</div>
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<div id="me96546AppleMailSignature">Regards<br />
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On 31 May 2017, at 09:40, Watila Alex via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" defang_rel="noreferrer">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br />
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Actually, that was the reasoning how you could be charged for improper use of a telecommunication device<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Alex <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">From:</span></span><span style="font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"> kictanet [<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke" defang_rel="noreferrer">mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] <span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span>Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span> Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:28 PM<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span> <a href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk" defang_rel="noreferrer">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a><br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span> Ngigi Waithaka <<a href="mailto:ngigi@at.co.ke" defang_rel="noreferrer">ngigi@at.co.ke</a>><br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span> Re: [kictanet] Registering ICT practitioners<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Are you guys serious?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">A "telecommunication" device is such things as phones, computers etc<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Now, let's read that law with that in mind and I guess there are 30M kenyans due for registration....<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal">On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Wambua, Christopher via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" defang_rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal">I have already done so. Here we go:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal">(b) provide any telecommunication services <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal">And there are other clauses in KiCA that cover other services such as broadcasting, postal/courier and radio-communications services. <o:p></o:p></p>
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On 30 May 2017, at 21:17, Admin CampusCiti via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" defang_rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal">Please can you quote the exact clause of the exact law that the CA is talking about here? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal">Are you guys talking about Telco service providers, Software Developers, Hardware Resellers etc? I'm confused. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal">And how does a license guarantee quality of service? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal">This is simply rent seeking. And will not stand. <o:p></o:p></p>
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On 30 May 2017, at 8:47 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" defang_rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Please educate me on this one....<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">When did this become the law?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">We have had similar debates here when Parliament & later Min.ICT tried to push through a very similar law and to the best of my knowledge they remained as proposals / draft laws.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal">On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Wambua, Christopher via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" defang_rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal">I did not imply in any way that this was best way to enforce contractual obligations. <o:p></o:p></p>
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On 30 May 2017, at 19:59, Sidney Ochieng <<a href="mailto:sidney.ochieng@gmail.com" defang_rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">sidney.ochieng@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="me96546MsoNormal">On 30 May 2017 19:47, "Wambua, Christopher" <<a href="mailto:Wambua@ca.go.ke" defang_rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Wambua@ca.go.ke</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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The rationale for the public notice is to encourage consumers to seek ICT services only from licensed service providers. This will guarantee consumers of recourse to regulatory intervention in instances where licensees fail to meet their contract obligations. It is also meant to complement ongoing initiatives to weed out unlicensed entities from the ICT market,and therefore protected our licensees from unfair competition.<br />
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